Ep. 51: Sea of Love

Netflix’s brand new Sea of Love is a colorful new animated series about a group of adventurous sea friends. TV-Y

The Positives
Netflix is embracing diversity among their creative collaborations, as Sea of Love is the first Thai pre-school animated series created by two Thai moms. 

 Teamwork and friendship are at the forefront of this show, making these characters positive role models for young children.  The show teaches important messages, like how to give your friends space or “alone time” when they ask for it.

Bruda the Whale likes to cook, which invites children to become curious about the food on their plates. 

Fluffy or Educational
The show strives to be Educational-ish, but there’s room to strengthen these goals. Because of the pace of the show, we got a bit of a PBS vibe. 

Potentially Problematic
There’s a couple instances of lying from the kids, but it is eventually resolved at the end of the show. 

The accents on some ‌animals could affect your child’s speech if they are in the very early stages of speaking or have a speech delay (think Peppa Pig).

 The teachers and parents never seem to get upset, even in moments when you’d expect them to.

Will parents like it?
Laura: No

Kara: With some yoga, yes! 

Should They Watch It?
Kara: Yes

Laura: Meh…it won’t hurt, but there are better shows out there.  

Side Conversations
After “mining” for “gold” on a recent vacation, Kara’s son Michael has is hungry for riches, making for an interesting birthday wishlist. With the cost of gold being outrageous, Kara buys him a faux gold bar. The hosts then scheme over other potential gifts Michael, including faux jewelry, faux fur and who knows what else. 

Laura and Kara discuss the Emmy-winning drama (and definitely-not-for-kids series) Euphoria, and they both love it. They discuss the show’s depiction of family trauma and addiction, which struck a chord with viewers as being very relatable, though scary to imagine for parents of young children. Who else out there is watching this? 

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Transcript

Kara Edwards: 0:00

The views and opinions expressed by the should they watch it podcast are those of two moms who happen to be a registered play therapist and a voice actor for cartoons. So while they may feel their opinions come from a knowledgeable place, they are still in fact just opinions. Should they watch it? A podcast that takes the task of reviewing your kid's favorite shows up your to do list Hey there and welcome to the should they watch it podcast I'm Cara Edward

Laura Orr: 0:26

Laura Orr Alright,

Kara Edwards: 0:27

are we diving are we diving right in

Laura Orr: 0:31

that's a strong start right there. Yes, we are.

Kara Edwards: 0:35

Okay go in a sea of love we love living in the sea. I had to write it down do it a bruta gentle whale Bobby Bobby mighty shark way way you cheerful Ray I hope I'm saying right Piri piri I didn't know this one is it loud seen

Laura Orr: 0:56

or smiled? See horn mile at

Kara Edwards: 0:58

least that's which makes way more sense than loud because this is not allowed in character. It's

Laura Orr: 1:03

not allowed character. It's mild. At least that's what the subtitle said. And I just think that it's hilarious that that is the adjective that they used for him because the other ones got like pretty cool.

Kara Edwards: 1:15

Like gentle whale mighty shark cheerful Ray

Laura Orr: 1:20

and pure ease mild like is he salsa period? I mean, I guess we all have a friend that we could describe as mild but I could you be imagined being described that

Kara Edwards: 1:30

way. But if you watch the show, it's pretty act.

Laura Orr: 1:32

It's true. It's true. But like what if I was like, Hey, this is my friend. You know Stephanie She's hilarious. And this is Kara she's Mild. Mild. I'd be like my mild Kara. You are not mild but I just thought that was mild about me. The song the whole song is hilarious to me.

Kara Edwards: 1:50

And also it's like because I thought it was we are living in the sea but it's we love love. Yeah,

Laura Orr: 1:55

in the sea of love.

Kara Edwards: 1:57

We love living in the sea just to make sure you know is

Laura Orr: 2:02

again real deep. They worked was this song written by bots

Kara Edwards: 2:06

I have no idea it's just like just not a lot of effort being put into the anyways it's a catchy little cute song though if we're gonna have some differing opinion things I can already tell today we're gonna have

Laura Orr: 2:20

that's okay we're reviewing sea of love today you guys but before we get to the show that's obviously going to divide us I'm gonna do and Kara I'm

Kara Edwards: 2:29

doing good I'm doing good do well

Laura Orr: 2:31

Kara I wake I know I'm in her I know I asked you how you're doing and then I'm gonna dive right in and interrupt you. What was that package you got

Kara Edwards: 2:39

though? The big heavy one? Yes. It was the gold bars that my son has asked for for his birthday.

Laura Orr: 2:47

What? Hold on gold bars. That's fake. Oh, okay. I'm gonna say I have to go and the gold bars are gonna be missing

Kara Edwards: 2:59

so Michael is getting ready to turn seven years old and he has four and he doesn't listen to our podcasts so that's why I can get away talking about oh right right um,

Laura Orr: 3:10

don't spoil anything. He's

Kara Edwards: 3:12

He's very entrepreneurial for a young man. And he had started asking what was more valuable diamonds or gold so we got online and looked it up and it was gold. That's like $2,000 an ounce. So most So gold is really expensive. Yeah. And and we had gone on vacation during our time off. We went on vacation to Silverton Colorado, and we went gold mining while they while we were there, which only enhanced this I need gold. So then he started asking for gold bars for his birthday. And so I looked him up and I'm like, Baby, there's $700,000 a bar. Yeah, right. You're not getting we are not the kind of family that can buy you a $700,000 gold bar for your birthday. Sorry kiddo. To which he was like so just buy the fake ones so that people will think I have gold bars. And it'll be really great. He's like, I just want the fake ones. So wait, hold

Laura Orr: 4:08

on. So he intends to tell people that it's real. Yes. Like Yes friend.

Kara Edwards: 4:14

Yeah, his friends. He's gonna tell him he has gold bars and so I went online and

Laura Orr: 4:20

Okay, well, what are you going to go along with this?

Kara Edwards: 4:24

Clearly they're in the package,

Laura Orr: 4:25

but I read like verbally like if he's like, check out my real gold

Kara Edwards: 4:29

bar. Okay, here's the way you're gonna do well, I'm not going to worry about it because they're freaking paper weights and they have like pads on the bottom so they don't scratch Okay, so they're clearly fake

Laura Orr: 4:42

adult is going to know that but like Daphne would see that and be like, Oh, Michael owns gold bar.

Kara Edwards: 4:48

I'm gonna let Daphne think they're real.

Laura Orr: 4:50

You're gonna lie to my kid.

Kara Edwards: 4:53

every other kid will be honest with the depth where it started asking her family for gold. bars, Michael? No, we're gonna be very clear about the fact they're fake and then because we're in the vein of fake there was a Pikachu card Pokemon card that he wanted really bad it's Pikachu illustrator. One recently sold for $6 million to Logan Paul of all people I know um, so anyways, so we've been arguing for months about the fact that no I cannot afford a Pikachu illustrator card and if I had the money for a Pikachu illustrator card, I assure you, I would not be spending it on a Pikachu illustrator card. But then he asked for so they do like you can buy like fan renderings of cards that are clearly not the real card and they even come with like at this thing a real thing on there. And so he was like then at least give me a fake. So I've never like my child is getting so much fake stuff for birthday. But I did buy him back to the gold. I did buy him a one 1/10 1/10 of a gram of real gold. It even comes in like a little credit card. plastic thing that's like certified. This is a real a piece of gold.

Laura Orr: 6:13

That is sweet. I just I love that he is going to have all this fake stuff and I can't wait to hear the stories. I just pictured him with like the coat you know that he opens up and he's just got all this counterfeit stuff

Kara Edwards: 6:32

is my fake Pikachu illustrator and my gold bars. Anyway. They're actually heavy. That's why that package when I put it on the counter was like, because that's Laura's like, what is in the

Laura Orr: 6:44

baggage? Like if she fears like, I'll talk about it on the podcast. Like, oh, oh my gosh, well, then I feel like for Michael's birthday, I too need to get him something that is fake.

Kara Edwards: 6:55

He just started showing up with like, fake fake jewels.

Laura Orr: 7:01

I think I think the funniest thing for me, in my mind, at least would be a fake fur coat. Oh, there you go. So for faux fur. He's I can just imagine you're getting swallowed up by a big fur coat. And I think it would be hilarious. But it'll definitely be fake. Because that's the theme. Clearly.

Kara Edwards: 7:19

This is the theme of our party this year. Yeah, so that is what it is. Anyways, how are you? Oh,

Laura Orr: 7:25

you know, I'm I'm kind of in a real dark. Not a dark place. Okay, because I finally finished euphoria.

Kara Edwards: 7:34

Dude, that messed me up for wheat. It did. Yes. I did not stop thinking about euphoria for weeks.

Laura Orr: 7:41

What was it for you? Like what followed you?

Kara Edwards: 7:46

i Everything's India glitch roof of the character rue. Everything with Rue and also Jacob. What is his name in the show? The main guy named Jacobs the bad guy. Yeah. Nate is like everything. Was it? Just all of it? All of it. All of the performances? How? I mean, they do such a beautiful job of making you just you're horrified. And then you're laughing? Then you're emotional, then? Oh, no, it's a journey. Yeah, it is a journey that gets up in your head.

Laura Orr: 8:21

It is going to live in my head for quite some time. It this is I saw. I read that this is the second most streamed show that in HBOs history behind Game of Thrones. Wow, I believe it and I want to know who's watching it because I really hope it's not children. But But

Kara Edwards: 8:39

Oh, Surely not. I wouldn't. I mean, I'm pretty liberal with what I let Michael watch and I will not let my child near. No, there's no there's no universe. I honest to goodness, how old would he have to be before I could even be comfortable with him watching it? I feel like an adult.

Laura Orr: 8:59

I will never bring the show up. Like

Kara Edwards: 9:01

I would have to be an adult before and making his own choice to watch it because this is not even a teenager. I would not want any teenager of mine watching this.

Laura Orr: 9:11

No. And I do think teenagers are watching it though. Oh, I will say that I because of where I work. I know some teenagers have brought it up in session. Yes. as something that is feels relatable to them. No. Yes. Unfortunately, real

Kara Edwards: 9:27

I really wanted this to be like so far out of left field for

Laura Orr: 9:31

Well, I've been thinking about it. Okay. I think that it is real for kids who are in therapy because you know what I mean? Like, right for that demographic. They're there for you know, a lot of them are there because they've gone through some pretty traumatic, traumatic, horrible things. And so this might be something that feels relatable to them, unfortunately. But I wouldn't say that this is in this is a representation of like the average teenager Um, I think every school has a kid who who is dealing with one of these things, but I don't think you're gonna have an entire school full of these issues.

Kara Edwards: 10:08

Or we're like one friend group with this level of.

Laura Orr: 10:12

It's an exaggeration, it's TV, it's entertainment. I think that the subject matter that they tackle, though, is so relatable for some people that it is hard to watch for, at least at least for people our age, I know that I've been having a hard time finding a community. As far as like people who watch it, like you're the only person I know. So the mom friends that I have there, they're nervous about watching it because of the content. It's it's anxiety producing a lot of stressful, it's hard to imagine that this is something that maybe your child could experience. And so I think moms especially are avoiding this, because they don't want to have to see something that you know, could be experienced by their child, do you know what I mean?

Kara Edwards: 11:03

Watching this, because I like really dark. Me too.

Laura Orr: 11:08

So the show is so good, if you can take your anxiety out of it and your worries out of it. It's such a good show that tackles addiction, mental health, and also this thought of, if you are a parent, and you are dealing with your own issues, and you have and you're not actively like working through it, then it is going to be absorbed by your child in some way. And when I talk about issues, a lot of these parents have substance abuse problems themselves, one person is actively repressing his sexuality, but also like having this under ground under like the hidden life, I guess. Right? Right. And in his son, witnesses it unintentionally and that kind of gets that messes with his mental health. And so when I say issues, I mean, like, you know, these parents have really intense mental health problems, or substance abuse problems, and then the effect that that has on their children. I thought that was a very, like, strong message that I took away of just like the importance

Kara Edwards: 12:27

of being a role model, right? Yes. And I'm not

Laura Orr: 12:32

talking about I'm not talking about like, if you are struggling with like anxiety and you know, lay the note we're talking about the big the big the ones on the heavier you know, like lower functioning scale the the the issues that permeate throughout your life and affect how you function daily, how that could affect you. Right? Do you want to say no, that's not to shame anybody or anything like that. I'm not trying to worry anyone I'm just saying like that stuck out for me probably also as like a mental health professional, more so than like a parent. But yeah,

Kara Edwards: 13:03

I think the thing that stuck out with me the most in euphoria was a lot. Honestly, no, I there's so much came out it was like, Well, this is a this is a ride Yeah. But Xin Diaz performance as the addict is like, give her all of the awards, because the high highs and the low lows and trying to stay clean. And I mean, there's so much in there that if if you've ever suffered addiction, or known anyone who's ever suffered addiction, like this will hit home soon, because it is so brilliantly done.

Laura Orr: 13:38

Yeah, I think a lot of people who have struggled with substance abuse, and have watched this show have come out and said, This is a very accurate portrayal of,

Kara Edwards: 13:48

oh, you know, the creator, the creator is an addict. And so and that's something he struggled with throughout his life. And so this was where the whole show came from. That's where the whole premise is, and it is, it is so well done, and it will mess you up and stick in your head

Laura Orr: 14:04

for ever. Right. And I don't even

Kara Edwards: 14:07

know in the next season, I guess we're a couple of years out. I mean, it's it's, uh, this to me. I mean, we talked about it last week, Stranger Things like this was a show that when I finished watching, like every article I got on social media was about the show cuz like, your phone is like, Oh, they're done with that same thing with Stranger Things. Everything was staged things. Yeah. So So reading all of the behind the scenes and the use of prosthetics in the use of Do you know, different things that they did to kids because there's a lot of prosthetics

Laura Orr: 14:39

I was now I know what you're talking about. There's a lot of

Kara Edwards: 14:44

there's a lot of parts and it turns out those aren't necessarily the parts are not necessarily authentically connected to the actor.

Laura Orr: 14:57

There used to be a representation of the actor but they are actually not they actually not of the actor.

Kara Edwards: 15:04

Very realistic Though I will say that you would never know. You would never know. But I read the diversity

Laura Orr: 15:09

of the prosthetics is,

Kara Edwards: 15:11

is spectacular. No one is the same. No, I really did look at like I somehow the social media was like you're sick enough to want to dive deep into, like, how they how they filmed this and how they did? It was fascinating. Oh, you know what? I did? What? I had my mom watch some of it. Oh, that's a bad idea. Really bad idea. You know who I would not ask to watch this show is my mom. I don't ever want to discuss the show with my mother or my children.

Laura Orr: 15:44

I didn't watch it with her though. Oh, that would have? Oh, because it's like episode one. Yeah, gets real graphic immediately. But I did tell her to watch it. She got three episodes. And she was like, she was like, it's just too much lore. It's too much too much. And I'm like, Who is this not too much for because it is the second most popular show on HBO. Right? Who is watching the show? You and me and people like us? There's just I guess there's a community we have a community of people. They just don't live in our neighborhood right?

Kara Edwards: 16:16

There that but they do we I promise they do live in our neighborhood, even if we're not immediate friends don't know that do popular show. And it's too good. I

Laura Orr: 16:26

will say that if you enjoy, like, really well written TV. And you can and you have a you have a strong, you don't have a weak stomach, right? Like you can handle the trauma you can handle. Yeah, because there is a lot of substance use. There is a lot of violence and violence. There's a lot of nudity. There's some disturbing sexual scene. Yes. And so but if you from that.

Kara Edwards: 17:02

But if all that being said, it's okay for you that it's so good, very well written

Laura Orr: 17:07

as Yeah, as somebody who's in mental health field. I mean, it was just, it was so fascinating to watch. And it I felt like it hit the nail on the head so many times for what this is like for kids who are children's children of addicts, kids who are who have grieved and just don't have the support or the skills to get through it. And to cope. I mean that the parents, there's not a lot of active like, abuse by the parents on to the kids. But there I felt like there was a ton of neglect. Yeah. Which allowed for the kids to do certain things and behave in certain ways and hurt themselves in certain ways. Right? that I found interesting. I don't know why I kept staring at the parents. But I kept looking at how their behavior was rippling down to the kids, even though the show is 75% about the kids, right. And

Kara Edwards: 18:03

I was really I was really high kept reminding myself that these children were not actually children that these were all like 30 year old actors portraying children. Everybody was fine. It was fine. Oh, TV, it's like I tell my goal all the time. It's just TV. These are actors.

Laura Orr: 18:18

It's so interesting, that teenagers can be very hard to understand, because of the place that they are at in their lives where they are kids, but also, adults, like they're like halfway

Kara Edwards: 18:32

there, like adults without fully developed brains. Yes.

Laura Orr: 18:35

And they also have the limitations of kids. Like they can't stay out all night. And they you know, they can't have still have dogs, they're still in school, and they have all these restrictions. And so I think as parents that transition is also hard. And so I don't know, it's um, it's, I understand the desire to not watch a show like this because you're because you might be nervous to watch it. Right. But also, if it's something that teenagers are relating to, wouldn't you want to know what they're relating to? Nope. So all I'm gonna say is if you are a parent and your child doesn't talk about you for you, then just move on. Just be glad. But if you're a parent and your child is saying I love euphoria, you might want to watch it. Yeah, maybe I don't see what they are relating to because some stuff goes down in there that I think a parent would want to know about their kid.

Kara Edwards: 19:29

I just think that I am happy that in this moment, I am in a place where our biggest worry is where am I going to find fake gold bars?

Laura Orr: 19:36

I know right? Oh my gosh. Which artist is going to draw our fake Pikachu I know girl the drama at our house right now is Daphne has her first loose tooth and that's it. That's That's the girl that's it. That's big deal. We just got to enjoy this and be grateful that you wouldn't, would not make for good TV. But podcast fodder apparently.

Kara Edwards: 19:55

Oh my gosh. Speaking of our podcast, should we talk about something that literally could not be further from euphoria in a sea of love of love, Kara,

Laura Orr: 20:06

should they watch it?

Kara Edwards: 20:07

I'm a yes. I started as a no I know we're gonna disagree. We're gonna grow we're gonna fight it out today. I started as a no when I watched the first episode or two, I kept watching it. And then I sat down and also I was what I started watching the show with Michael, who was a hard no on it. Then I finished watching it with Remy, who was an absolute Yes, on her show. And when I started watching it through Rameez eyes, because Michael and I are so much alike. I kind of actually started falling in love with the show. Oh, I'm an I'm a yes. And I will tell you all my reasons. But, Laura, should they watch it?

Laura Orr: 20:47

Look, this might be my Puffin rock. Like,

Kara Edwards: 20:52

by the way, like, in my notes, I have Puffin rock literally written three times this is your Puffin rock, not my Puffin rock. This is this is yeah, the comparisons to Puffin rock are super spot on.

Laura Orr: 21:06

Anyways, I disagree on that. But the reason we're bringing up Puffin rock is because that is one of those shows that is near and dear to my heart, and Kara could not dislike it anymore. And so I think we might have found Karis Puffin rock where she totally loves it. There are some

Kara Edwards: 21:23

which is so weird because I'm telling you this is this is puff and rock in the sea. It has

Laura Orr: 21:28

a lot of similar characteristics of puff and rock. Okay, shall I, shall we? I'm gonna say it's not going to hurt the kid to watch it. But oh, but the show itself to me feels a little worthless. So I'm gonna say no. Okay, like, I don't see a ton of value out of it. But if, but it's nothing that you would need to worry about as a parent. So if you're wanting to watch it, like, whatever, go ahead. But as far as entertainment, I'm gonna say no, I know. I'm gonna do.

Kara Edwards: 22:03

Okay, let's do it. Do you want to tolerate or should I? Okay, well, first of all, you can find this. I guess I should, since I like it. I like it so much. Okay, so you can find the show on Netflix. There are 15 episodes, there's only one season right now 10. The each of the episodes are around 10 minutes. This is the first show on Netflix, the first high animated web series that is on Netflix, which is super exciting, because I know that they're really wanting to bring in more content from all over the world. This was actually created by two moms Oh, in Thailand, and it was dubbed so dubbing is when something is animated in one language. And then it's brought into another language it was dubbed in the UK, I had to go and find that out. And I'm going to talk about that in a minute as to why. But basically the show is we have our sea animal friends bruta Bobby wayyou and Peery. And they live in the ocean with their families and they go on little adventures and they learn lessons and do things and it's it's a show that it's it's one of those shows that's kind of typical of these younger shows where it's all about mindfulness and learning things and going through experiences to get different lessons about life and having adventures and I can already see your face. I think that I think that I saw a lot more value in this show than you did.

Laura Orr: 23:31

No, I think you're right. Kind of I think I think that there were some shows that did teach some really sweet lessons. For sure. I'm thinking of the school picture day when one of the kids gets messy and they handle that really well it's a really sweet episode like there's some

Kara Edwards: 23:54

there's a whole episode about like meditation and the importance of calming down to be able to make good choices there's a lot about working together as as a team as a group there's like I made a whole list no yeah

Laura Orr: 24:12

I got and I think the but then there's also an episode where they just play hide and seek and nothing else happens right? So it's you're gonna get sometimes you're gonna get a good message and you'll get like a relatively well done episode and then someday some episodes they're just gonna play hide and seek and literally nothing happens but that like no messages, no one gets frustrated. There's no conflict. There's no resolution. We're just watching some animals play hide and seek. And that's it. So I do agree but I feel like they there's something missing here on this show that makes it like a fully developed show.

Kara Edwards: 24:52

Okay, but let me ask you a question as a therapist, isn't a show like this. Okay. Is Isn't it okay if you're sitting down to watch television? Yeah. Like, does it all have to be big lessons about life? Or can it just be a sweet calm? Oh, sure.

Laura Orr: 25:13

We can be entertaining

Kara Edwards: 25:20

Definitely not. I will say when I started watching the series, the first two episodes I had, I was really struggling with it. I'm not afraid to say, while I was very excited that there was content coming in from other parts of the world. I do feel that there was a lot of I don't know, like, maybe I wanted it to be more like culturally representative, which is what I get excited about when we get different shows is it's like what are other cultures doing with their TV? This did feel very much like a lot of shows we've seen out of the US out of out of Great Britain, like, out of the UK, sorry. And I feel so Okay, I got stuck on the voice acting. Like from the get go. I'm a voice actor. And it's, it's very difficult for me when I'm stuck on voice acting to be able to observe anything else, but the voice acting. The voice actors in the show are all children and they're great, and they're adorable, and they're great little actors. The Seahorse voice was a little hard for me to understand at times. But everything is inflection mild is inflection was incredibly mild. Some of the words were a little flurry, the one that kind of got me brute Buddha, Buddha, Buddha, Buddha Buddha, gentle whale. Yeah, great acting. I love this kid that's doing it. But clearly I was so stuck on is, is he Irish is the British is he? But he was obviously in those first two episodes. Especially he was trying very hard to do an Americanized English and drop his British. I'm assuming he's British, because it was dubbed dubbed in the UK. But but there were a lot of words that were like he was like, perfect about it. Is it is matter. Like he was really an and I do a lot of English language learning work in my career. And so I have a director who's always like, make sure you hit your T's, you know, what is the matter? That's, and he was doing that. And I was so stuck on it. Yeah, it was distracting. Why are you doing that? But then I felt like it did start to ease considerably after those first couple of episodes. That that, but that was what I was like, Who are these actors? And where is this dubbed? And what language I almost wish they would have just let him have his natural accent and just go for it.

Laura Orr: 27:45

Yeah, you know, yeah, totally. I can see why something like that would be totally, like, why would he

Kara Edwards: 27:49

be British and his dad's not. So I know why they were trying so hard, because so many words would be like, you know, um, I don't know, there were so many words in there. And I was like, I can tell this. This is a show that's trying to come across like it was here in the US. And it's not, and I wish they would have just embraced that it was um, yeah, I

Laura Orr: 28:10

think that my guess would be that that concept was very attractive to the network. And if they decide to move forward, I think they're going to have some things that they some things they need to work on.

Kara Edwards: 28:21

Yeah. And especially like, I mean, just just free the accent let that little boy be himself. Because he's, he's adorable. The voice is adorable. The acting is adorable. Yeah, I just felt that accent was really struggling. Yeah, yeah, I don't. So it took me a minute and watching it where I was like, and it very much like puff and rock. I literally wrote down this this puff and rock levels of boredom. This show is not meant for me. The show is not meant for adults, the show is very much meant for young children. And in when I started watching it more through Rameez eyes, I was like, Oh, this is actually super sweet. And this is what I would want my young children watching is something that's very calm and kind and it's it reminded me so much a Daniel Tiger in a way. Yeah, because the parents never get upset. Ever. And the teachers it's like, oh, you threw sand in my face. And they're like, Oh no, she's gonna be furious. And then she's like, Oh, that was fun.

Laura Orr: 29:25

Yeah, there's an episode where one of the animals like spills spaghetti all over them all. Yeah, and the mom was like, the mom goes, I guess being messy runs in the family and I was thinking but Mom You weren't messy. Like why are you making this about like you being messy like the kid was the messy one you got messy because the kids built spaghetti on you. So the joke doesn't land.

Kara Edwards: 29:49

Right. And they were they were telling like and they were telling the child like don't get dirty because it's school picture day, which of course the kid goes and gets super dirty. And they're like, but it's okay because it's Representative for you. And I'm like, right, but he's super didn't follow directions.

Laura Orr: 30:04

Yes, yeah, that does have that vibe to it did have those

Kara Edwards: 30:07

like, oh, this reminds me of Daniel Tiger. How no matter what happens is it's okay that you brought in buckets of water and sand and poured them all over the living room floor. work on this together.

Laura Orr: 30:17

Yeah. And there's also lying in the show that the kids will go out of their way to lie about something to each other. And the friends will all just believe them, like, suspend their disbelief and be like, Oh, okay, yeah, like, I'm just gonna believe what you say is true, even though it makes absolutely no sense. And then, of course, the light comes to the surface. And there's the whole, you know, I shouldn't have lied, and I'm sorry, thing. But the story itself. For me, that's, that's my issue with the show is, it does have like the soft, gentle, GRE, you know, very slow paced movement that you would see in Daniel Tiger that you would see in like Blue's Clues, and then that you would see in Puffin rock as well. And the storylines didn't bother me as much as just the script, like the writing was not like every I just, I was really struggling with the writing, because that just didn't make sense to me like the spaghetti exam. I was like, yeah, it's just not working for me. And some of it does, yes. wasn't working

Kara Edwards: 31:24

as a dub actor. I'm gonna defend a little Yeah, it is so hard to take a show that is originally produced in one language, which I'm assuming this was I couldn't find any information on it. Yeah. And then you bring it in, you try to translate it into another language, and you want to stay as true to the original intent as possible, while making it try to sound as natural as possible. And it sometimes it definitely lands and sometimes it definitely does not. And I feel like I do this on a weekly basis, where I'm in a room and we're all like, well, that doesn't make sense. How do we, how do we try to make this make a little more sense? And sometimes you have to just be like, well, I

Laura Orr: 32:06

guess we're just gonna say it anyway. Because we want it to be

Kara Edwards: 32:09

we want to try to be as respectful and true to the original intent as possible. But sometimes a joke, this, I remember Brina talking when we had Brina. And she was talking about my end that three and she said when it was in English, there was a lot of jokes that landed better than when she watched the version in Spanish. And it's again, it's just that translation, it may not be as like, oh, like in, if we went and watched this in Thailand, we would be like, Oh, that's a great joke. The mom was really funny right there. But then

Laura Orr: 32:40

it might make more sense. And yeah, I can understand that. And maybe that's what's happening here.

Kara Edwards: 32:45

Yeah, for sure. I mean, I I can't imagine that it wouldn't. And again, I felt like, I always wonder is Netflix putting my episodes in the correct order? Because there was an episode where the shark lost his tooth. And then the rest of the episodes he had it again. So I was like, clearly,

Laura Orr: 33:04

I think that's just like a

Kara Edwards: 33:06

lightning. Yeah, Netflix tends to like, oh, no, I'm

Laura Orr: 33:09

just like, you know, it's like, they're not going to keep the tooth missing the rest of the it's like the it's like The Simpsons. They wear the same clothes every day. And Maggie never gets older. It's like a restart the next day. Everything is the same except for the storyline.

Kara Edwards: 33:23

Again, you know, I was like, How much is it? And I did feel that so much where I watched those first couple episodes. And I was like, oh, yeah, I can really tell this has been dubbed and I'm, I'm struggling with it. And but then as it kept going, I was like, actually, I'm okay. And I liked some of these storylines, and I liked it. It's sweet and it's calm, and, and again, I liked Puffin rock for my children. I just didn't want to sit down and watch it and I very much feel the same. Okay, yeah, I don't want to sit and watch it. But do I feel but it's not meant for me? Yeah. Do I feel good with my kids watching it? Yeah. So

Laura Orr: 33:58

your kids experienced it very differently. So talk about that. Like what was how was it different for First of all, when we talk about the audience, I would say it's like a three to five. Maybe six, obviously, because Michael and Remy watched it but I want to know more about why Michael didn't like it and why Remy did

Kara Edwards: 34:15

okay, so Michaels first thing was this is for babies. And that's he kept saying it all along. He was like, This is dumb. It's for babies. When he's getting ready to turn seven. Michael's convinced he's 19 in his brain and so he's not gonna like you 48 Yeah, no.

Unknown: 34:33

No

Laura Orr: 34:36

Don't worry, my landlord is gonna show it's fine.

Kara Edwards: 34:39

I've ever seen with a Laura.

Laura Orr: 34:41

I'm never gonna babysit again.

Kara Edwards: 34:45

I feel like he that was his whole thing is he was annoyed that we weren't watching something that was more along the lines of what what he was super enjoying like how much he loved. Troll hunters. He was like that's more entertaining than Baby Show. Sure, well guess what? It's not meant for his age either. Yeah. And Remi tends to like very sweet, soft, like she she doesn't want anything scary. She doesn't want anything that's too too big in concept. She really enjoys just sitting and watching something sweet. And so she was super sucked into this. Like, there was a point where I was like, Hey, we can turn it off and I need to go do something. And she was like, Is it okay if I just keep watching it? And I'm like, of course, baby. So she kept at it. So I think that's what it was. It's who is your kid? I think in that younger range, you can feel fine with them watching it, I think are sure older than that. It's totally going to depend on your kid.

Laura Orr: 35:42

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, the characters are very sweet. They're uncomplicated. You know, it's really just about them and their friendships and like these little challenges that they might encounter. So yeah,

Kara Edwards: 35:56

what what would you put as if we started talking about what was problematic? What would you say? Would you say there's anything problematic I have one thing

Laura Orr: 36:07

the lying was interesting to me just the way that they handled it. And like you said, the behaved some of the behavioral stuff, the way that they approached it, those are the only things that I really noticed and just the unwatchable ality of it. Generally, is that a problem? No.

Kara Edwards: 36:27

What about you, I just feel and I already touched on this with the with the accents and some of the voiceover but some of the characters being a little hard to understand might be you know, and with the changing accent in the whale i If your children are super young, and they're learning how to speak this may not be a show that you want them watching because you don't I remember some of my friends when their kids started watching Peppa Pig and they're like, Oh my God, my kid has a British accent all the sudden Yeah, if you're wanting children to emulate speech, this would not be a show I would recommend so that you're super young 234 Again, if they're already like great verbally, then you don't need to worry about it but if you if you do have a child who might have like a speech delay or something this would not be a show I would recommend just because I did see a lot of the speaking was not consistent with how we would teach a child to speak okay

Laura Orr: 37:28

that's important Yeah, no I'm not checked out yeah, I'm not yes see what they did to be

Unknown: 37:44

about euphoria while we're talking about

Laura Orr: 37:47

all I want to do is put glitter all over my eyes.

Kara Edwards: 37:53

You sent me a picture of you with like jewels and you're like just the you know I haven't totally like like got off the deep end watching euphoria because the Layla did this to me my daughter, my daughter made me like and I was like girl I'm looking at that and your your little three year old and if she three year to your to your two year old did not do that to your face

Laura Orr: 38:15

you don't think let me show you what she did to her face. She really looked like euphoria I'm telling you because the vibe that was wow is euphoria vibes right now.

Kara Edwards: 38:23

We were at a friend's friends kids birthday party yesterday and I fully expected you to show up with some roommates.

Laura Orr: 38:30

Oh man and the curly hair we have this we have very similar hair.

Kara Edwards: 38:34

When I'm not streaming similar hair. It would be easy.

Laura Orr: 38:38

So easy for me to go full roo like on the inside and the outside not addiction wise but just

Kara Edwards: 38:46

fashion. I'm telling you if they like fashion is spectacular. This I feel like what we've just done here is indicative of sea of love is it's it's it is a super sweet show that you can feel fine with your children watching for the most part but you're probably going to want to talk about euphoria.

Laura Orr: 39:05

I think for me like I am a person who picks up on like emotional energy I think you do it to your mate we talked about this before and that also translates to TV shows. So if I'm watching I remember when I was watching Sons of Anarchy which is about like a biker gang. I would like imagine in my head like what kinds of crimes I could get away with like, let's just like where my brain goes and so sea of love like

Kara Edwards: 39:36

I mean you're not gonna get a lot of energy. Rock in the ocean, OCEAN

Laura Orr: 39:41

up and rush shut your mouth so it is not as good as it made me sweet and for about five days and then it left my head like I told you when we when I came here to even talk about it on this show. I was like I need a refresher because it is gone. It is it was in my head

Kara Edwards: 39:59

and And it left. Okay, so full confession same is kind of kept like, because again, it's not meant for me. So it would, it was hard for me to retain to like be able to talk about it. So this morning when I woke up while I did yoga, I had it going in the background because I was like, I will focus and I will listen. So we can talk about it on this show. And I will tell you, I could yoga to it. Yeah,

Laura Orr: 40:25

I mean, it's, I could totally see you're going to this. It's like very chill,

Kara Edwards: 40:29

very calm. The voices are not like the voices are great. Nothing comes out at you, even when they're trying to be loud. It's not too loud. And I love that for young children. Yeah, it is.

Laura Orr: 40:40

It's great. Okay, so is it fluffy or education? I mean, what do you think?

Kara Edwards: 40:46

I mean, there are parts of it that can be educational, and there are parts of it that are super fluffy.

Laura Orr: 40:51

I think it it's It aspires to be an educational show. Yeah, I do get PBS vibes from it. Like no question. Netflix didn't exist, this would totally be on PBS. And if I think if they just spent a little bit extra time working on it, I doubt they will, because Netflix is like downsizing so crazily right now, but if they did, I think it could be a good show. And

Kara Edwards: 41:12

yet, and yet, as you say that I'm like, Oh, but I do want more content coming in from other parts of the world. So I want it to be okay. And I want it to be successful. And I want Netflix to keep doing this. I don't want this to be a discouraging thing. And I think for young kids, it's okay.

Laura Orr: 41:28

I'm a parent. Well, we kind of already answered the question will parents like it? This is not a show for us. It's it's a background show for sure. Yoga, for sure. They're not yoga, if you want to do some yoga to it. If you want to if you need to get some laundry done. I mean, I would recommend a different show. But this isn't going to hurt them. I will admit Blue's Clues on before this for sure.

Kara Edwards: 41:50

Okay, but I could not think of this. I could not yoga. If I had a three year old, I could not yoga to Blue's Clues. Well, my three year old watch to watch that. But I could totally yoga to this while my kid watched

Laura Orr: 42:01

it because you do get a puff and rock. Yeah, cuz it's literally like, not the same show care. All I hear when I watch. It's very calm.

Kara Edwards: 42:12

And it was very much the same with this. That's true.

Laura Orr: 42:14

Okay, um, I'm trying to think if there's anything else, I mean, I will Okay, as much crap. As I've given the show, there are good messages. There. There's some of the storylines, good. Like there's why you there's a scene where she needs a loan time. Yeah, and her friends happily give it to her, which I think is something that so um, is being taught and a lot of schools right now with young children about social and you know, the social emotional learning is that, you know, if you are frustrated or upset, just take some alone time. And then your friends need to respect you and give you that alone time. So that was in there, that was good. There was an there was an example about making exceptions, which I thought was helpful. Kids tend to think in black and white a lot. So if we establish a rule that your bedtime is 730, then 730 Is your bedtime. But making exceptions to that, like we get to stay out late because it's a special occasion, I think is a good message to give to kids because we aren't going to be able to consistently put our kids to bed at 730. And so to be able to talk about, hey, when we're going out of town, we might stay out a little bit later. But that's you know, but when we go back home, your bedtime is still 730. And there was an episode that kind of tackled that. And I do appreciate that there's a couple of traits that the characters have that they stick with, I still don't think they're very well developed characters overall. But I did think that it was cute that like, they had these little character traits that they tried to consistently put throughout the show. So for example, bruta likes to cook and so that throughout the show, you would see brewed a cooking something and I thought that was kind of cute. I mean, no, no,

Kara Edwards: 43:43

it sure sounds like you got a lot out of this stuff out.

Laura Orr: 43:46

I mean, I'm you wrote me. I'm like, oh, you know, that. Did you okay, maybe this is translation to there was this thing. There was this weird wording that was happening? Like a couple of times, this is the thing, it's just it's an inconsistent show. For me. There was this there's this habit that they would get into where they would mix up their sensory like their sensory stuff. So they would say like, like, like, sheesh, you know, like, stop smelling so good. But sheesh is related to auditory like words. And they would say smell they like they would liken it to something that you would be smelling. Oh, that's a for sure. And then they would say like, this pie. When Buddha made a pie, he said, it looks happy. So there was this, instead of It looks delicious.

Kara Edwards: 44:37

That's 100% translation. Oh, that's okay. 100% that happens. Now. What's unfortunate is that should be caught along the way. And I don't but I don't know the process. So I don't know their process of are they doing a direct translation and that's what's being recorded is somebody coming in and trying to finesse it with the language? I don't know their process. But what in a great dub, you don't notice those things those things happen is because they are rewritten enough to stay stay true to the original content, but make it palatable for the new language because I work on shows that are translated literally into so many dozens of languages. I mean, I meet the Spanish actors, and you know, the French actors and the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It is very difficult to take content and move it into different languages, because not everything translates well, it's

Laura Orr: 45:34

but I liked it. Like I thought it was cute. Like, it looks happy. And I feel like I wish it I actually wish it had been, it was like more of a purposeful thing. Like, let's mix up the things. So where I don't know, it was like one of the things that stuck out to me as I was like, trying to reach for something that I was like, if they did this a lot. And like in like, if it was in the episodes quite often, it would be kind of a fun approach to describing things like, yeah, when I eat that pie, I will feel happy. So it does look happy. Do you know what I'm saying? Okay, and so if they could, if they had done that more often, and made it kind of part of the show, it would have been kind of a fun, I think a fun like, I don't know, approach to to creating the show. But now I'm hearing it's more of a translation thing, I

Kara Edwards: 46:29

guess. I think it would be, you know, again, it didn't happen

Laura Orr: 46:33

enough for it to seem like it was like a purposeful, like, let's call it happy, even though it's a pie.

Kara Edwards: 46:39

It's impossible to know without being a part of their process. Yeah. Because in which is why I'm never going to judge someone's process on this because the dubbing process is so difficult. Yeah. And there's so many people involved in there so many steps to get something to air. But if you had handed me the show with me not having the internet and any way to look anything up, I could have told you this was originally in a different language. Oh, wow. Yeah, I could I could easily tell. And I could tell like where the actors coming from. I found all of that fascinating. Yeah.

Laura Orr: 47:11

Yeah. Sorry. It's so fun that you're like that we're doing this because you offer like a very unique perspective that, you know, most people I would say the layperson might be like, there's something weird going on here. But you're like, oh, there is and let me tell you what. And yeah, like, I know exactly what that thing is. Yeah, you're able to kind of articulate what I think maybe people might be feeling in their gut, yet are unable to like pinpoint what it is. Then Kara can come along and say, let me tell ya,

Kara Edwards: 47:37

yeah, but then like, everybody in my industry right now is like, Kara, seriously, you've never had to translate before. You don't know how hard it is. And yeah, let's

Laura Orr: 47:45

acknowledge that for this show. Like, especially me. I mean, Carrie, you have some ideas about how hard it is. I have no idea. So I'm just sitting here like crapping on a show, as a viewer. When I'm in it, probably I would some might, some might argue, and a little insensitively, and I will acknowledge that.

Kara Edwards: 48:06

And I will I as I was watching it, I'm like, I just know how hard this is to do and bring to the states. And, and I'm so excited that we do have our first you know, show from Thailand on now. Yes. And I want to see that continue. So I'm like, I can't.

Laura Orr: 48:23

Well, it's also so hard to critique a show. When it there's nothing truly problematic about it. It's really just a matter of tastes. I mean, even the things that we talked about that work, you know, problematic. I mean, aren't it really a little nitpicky? You know, I mean, like, maybe for an MP, maybe you want to have a conversation with your kid about it, but maybe not, it might just go over their head and might not even be a problem at all.

Kara Edwards: 48:48

And we find ourselves in this situation a lot when we review content for that age group of three to five.

Laura Orr: 48:53

Yeah, this is not so it's, they're being very careful about the content. And so the problematics just not going to be in the lexicon. So it turns into like, is this good?

Kara Edwards: 49:03

Yeah. And they were like, we're gonna talk about this on a podcast and we're like, well,

Laura Orr: 49:08

like it's easy to say that Crocodile Dundee sucks too

Kara Edwards: 49:12

easy to talk about all the things but then when you're talking about like a gentle whale, yeah, to be like that whale sucks. No,

Laura Orr: 49:20

you can't do that. You can't do that. So that's part of this this podcast like when it's not problematic like what are you know, like, NAD then we just comes down to tastes like we're not looking for anything.

Kara Edwards: 49:33

Yeah, I think I have not fully adequately refilled the whole we've dug so I I think we can go

Laura Orr: 49:42

oh, I don't remember what we're doing next time. But we are going to talk about a movie with talking animals pretty soon is that yeah, we

Kara Edwards: 49:49

are. That's coming up in a couple of weeks. Yeah. Before then I actually have a list for what we're what we are talking about next week. Just tell you guys we have some really exciting guests coming up hot next week is we're gonna be talking About a show that my kids discovered on vacation that literally became when are we getting to the next Airbnb? Can we like be done camping? Now we want to watch more tots so I can't wait to talk about it. Yeah, I haven't sat down and fully watched it. So I'm excited to get into that one. And then after that, we are going to start having some really exciting guests on our show and discussing some really fun content.

Laura Orr: 50:22

So stay tuned, everybody, thank you for sticking with us and for anyone who's new thanks for joining. Thanks for being here. By Fire scribe and follow us on Instagram