Ep. 54: Babe w/ Bill Childs

We are thrilled to have special guest Bill Childs, host of Spare the Rock, Spoil the Child on our podcast this week to discuss the 1995 classic, Babe! You may think you know this movie, but Laura, Kara, and Bill are bringing interesting trivia as well as a list of potentially problematic things you should be aware of before watching with your children. This week's podcast is laugh out loud fun (no really, get ready for our hosts to laugh out loud...a lot!). That'll do, podcast. That'll do.

The Positives
Babe teaches viewers not to judge a book by its cover and tackles prejudice in a way that is developmentally appropriate.

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and Babe is a fitting example of the benefits of kindness.  This inspiring message leads to a conversation about one of Bill’s favorite shows, Ted Lasso, which is filled with the same humble and positive energy. 

Bill loved the deliberate pace and that the movie was smart and honest about what happens on animal farms and didn’t treat Farmer Hoggett as a black and white “bad guy.” 

 Great voice acting, especially from legend Christine Cavanaugh as Babe and James Cromwell as Farmer Hoggett, who finishes up with the classic line, “That’ll do pig. That’ll do.” Fun Fact: Inspired by his time on the farm, Cromwell became vegan and animal advocate. 

 Animatronics were the decided approach to bringing real animals to life.  At a time were CGI rules the screen, it was nice to revisit a special effect that isn’t used as often.

Fun fact: The 48 Yorkshire pigs that played Babe were adopted out to owners under a contract that did not allow them to slaughter the pigs. 

Potentially Problematic
The audio dialogue replacement was distractingly bad for Kara.

 The movie begins in a slaughterhouse, and with several mentions of where Babe came from combined with a fear of becoming the farmer’s next meal, your kids might have questions about how most people get their meat.

 There is body shaming of the farmer’s wife. 

 The dog, Rex, perpetrates an act of violence against his female partner.  He also shows initial hostility towards Babe.  We later learn why he behaves this way, and during opportunities of redemption, he rises to the occasion.  It might be worth a conversation with children about abusive behavior.  

Should They Watch It?
Kara: Yes

Laura: Yes

Bill: Yes

 We had an excellent time with Bill and we know you’ll have a great time listening to this episode. You can listen to his station here and check him out on twitter and facebook where he shares interviews and music live in-studio from some of your favorite indie artists. 

Transcript

Kara Edwards: 0:00

The views and opinions expressed by the should they watch it podcast are those of two moms who happen to be a registered play therapist and a voice actor for cartoons. So while they may feel their opinions come from a knowledgeable place, they are still in fact just opinions. Should they watch it? A podcast that takes the task of reviewing your kid's favorite shows up your to do list? Hey there and welcome to the should they watch it Podcast. I'm Cara Edward. And

Laura Orr: 0:29

I'm Laura Orr.

Kara Edwards: 0:30

And we're so excited because we have a very special guest today and I actually was watching his live tweeting of him watching the movie that he has chosen for us to review today. Really? Yeah. Reading about his thoughts as he was watching this and I was right there following along going I can't wait to talk to him on the show. That is

Laura Orr: 0:53

so cute. I love it. Well, let's go ahead and get started. For 17 years Bill child has produced and hosted spare the rod spoil the child, a nationally syndicated show based at K u TX in Austin, Texas. That is both music for kids and their grownups. He also owns spare the Rock Records of benefit record label that has raised more than$250,000 for nonprofits supporting Haitian relief, girls science, education and support for LGBTQ I youth by day. He's an in house lawyer in St. Paul, Minnesota and a father of two. welcome Bill Child Child,

Kara Edwards: 1:31

our special guest today. Hello.

Bill Childs: 1:33

Great to be here. Thanks for the invitation. Great to be here with you. We are

Laura Orr: 1:37

so excited to have. So before we get started reviewing the movie that you picked for us to review today, I was wondering what if you could tell us a little bit more about what inspired you to create spare the rod spoil the child?

Bill Childs: 1:50

Yeah, so I have been sort of potentially weirdly obsessed with radio for a very long time. I loved radio of all sorts growing up and did radio in college, I went to Macalester College and I was on WMC en five blazing watts of power. And just as an aside, my son is now at Macalester, and also does a show on W MCN. He does a basically a metal show there called all things heavy. And so I've always been really into it. I thought briefly about trying to do radio as a career and realize that way madness lies I went to law school instead. But when we moved, I practice law in DC and then moved up to Western Massachusetts to be a law professor, where I was there for about eight years. And we had little kids at the time. And I saw a brochure for a community low power FM station that was looking for programmers. And I started to discover the world of interesting family music by way of a New York Times magazine story about Dan Zanes. And that sort of entered me helped me figure out that there was this world of interesting family music. And so I thought, Oh, I'll propose that and I'll do the show with my kids. And 17 years later, still doing it. My my older child is now in grad school and, and my son is at Macalester, like I said, but they still do the show with me when they're at home. And somehow just keep doing it. It's the longest semi professional thing I've done.

Kara Edwards: 3:14

That's amazing. And you are definitely a broadcaster after my own heart because I actually got my start in radio as well. I worked at Radio Disney for a number of years, which was children's music, and then went on and co hosted morning radio and did radio before I didn't deviate quite so far as to actually go an educated route and become a lawyer. I became a voice actors. So it wasn't too.

Bill Childs: 3:38

We a more, more, probably a more rational approach to life though.

Kara Edwards: 3:42

Yeah, no, I mean, radio was definitely becoming something that was, you know, I'm always so excited when I hear people that are still finding way to make radio a thing. I remember my old program directors sending me an email and was like, Oh, you were so far ahead of the curve. And you got out a radio just in time, and I was like, Oh, I just wanted to be a voice actor. I didn't know there was anything. You know, I didn't know I was actually being intelligent with it.

Bill Childs: 4:09

I still I don't to go too far down that path. But I still think radio is an amazing local radio. No offense to Radio Disney but local radio is it is a unique medium.

Kara Edwards: 4:19

Well. Radio Disney doesn't even exist anymore.

Bill Childs: 4:23

That's a good point. Yeah, really good point. And, and one of the things I always say about about doing the show is that like I'm a radio nerd and I want another generation of radio nerds like I love that my son loves still loves radio, so I'm just doing radio. I just think there's something special about it. Absolutely.

Laura Orr: 4:39

I you're obviously doing something right because it passed down to your kids. And I love that you found something that you can connect with your kids over even as they get older because I just keep getting these messages that as they get older, they want less and less to do with us so it's nice to hear that you got

Bill Childs: 4:56

Yeah, somehow forgot. I'm not sure how but somehow we managed to to both of our kids still like being around us a fair

Laura Orr: 5:02

amount. That's great, right? So you've had some really fun guests on your show, I saw I listened to an episode where you had Louis and Dan in the invisible band. The song for your show was written and performed by They Might Be Giants. Who are some of your favorite guests that you've had on your show?

Bill Childs: 5:19

Yeah, I mean, so They Might Be Giants is always the top of that list. I've been a fan of them for forever. I saw them at First Avenue in Minneapolis. Back when they were still just doing the duo shows and seeing them more than almost any other band since then. And so getting to get to know them over the years has been great. And they contributed, like you said the theme song and a song to one of the compilation records. That was pretty great. Um, Elizabeth Mitchell is has been a favorite of mine for a long time. She's also in the band Ida, but she's done amazing children's music. On Smithsonian folkways. I mentioned Dan Zanes getting to have him on the show from time to time, Rhett Miller relaxable, 90 sevens and is great. And then Saul, Paul is a hip hop artist out of Austin, who came out of the scene in the last few years. And he's been on the show a number of times. And every time he almost every time he'll bring a different sort of group of kids with him. Who and he does this this amazing community work and and, again, just just a wonderful visitor to the show, but there's been so many.

Laura Orr: 6:21

That's awesome. That is so cool. Yeah, as a word from Dallas. So Rhett Miller is kind of a local celebrity over here. So it's cool to hear that that you know, has influenced bands, so why

Bill Childs: 6:34

not do one of those bands I first saw when I was in law school at University of Texas at Austin back in probably 96 or 97 was so many sevens and yeah, just to

Laura Orr: 6:43

the old night, I'm writing down all of these names that you just said so that I can you know, beef up my you know, my music repertoire, right? Are you gonna have any other recommendations for people listening of artists that we should be checking out right now?

Bill Childs: 6:59

Oh, my heavens, well, lucid dandy invisible band, you mentioned them. They're great, especially if you're like, They Might Be Giants sort of very smart, Goofy, children's music. Really, really join them softball, I think is great. See, Alma was another recent visitor. He's a guy who came up playing music in Congo, and all over Africa was was a lead performer of Sukhumvit music, which is a genre of music I'd never even heard of before moved to the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul, I think late 90s, maybe early 2000s. And has sort of transitioned into doing, again, very African themed music for kids and just wonderful album. But there's so much you should go to spare the rock.com and listen to the show. And you find out more

Kara Edwards: 7:41

and find out all the amazing thing. Yeah, we are absolutely doing that. Yeah, yeah,

Laura Orr: 7:45

there's an archive there. So you can go back for as long as I don't know, how long does it span back all the whole 17 years.

Bill Childs: 7:52

The on demand streams go back, maybe 12 years, but that's still incredible

Laura Orr: 7:57

12. And they're really entertaining. And it's easily easily accessible. And yeah, kids will love it. For sure.

Kara Edwards: 8:07

So so we are super curious. Since we're a podcast where we review and talk about children's shows, what were the shows that you watched as you were growing up?

Bill Childs: 8:19

So as I was growing up, it's an interesting question. There was a stretch there. You know, I think when I was eight or nine, something like that, my mom went back to grad school she had worked, she had stopped working full time, when they started having kids. I was the youngest of three. And then she started doing a lot of volunteering work for the Equal Rights Amendment and other political efforts in Oklahoma. We lived in northeast Oklahoma. And when she went back to school, my television watching went up because I'd come home from school and there was not anybody there. So I watched a lot of like MASH. And doctor who was was in heavy rotation in that time period, earlier than that it was, you know, Sesame Street, Electric Company, three to one contact, I remember being a big part of it as well.

Kara Edwards: 9:04

So I write when we were getting ready to record the podcast today. And my son is actually home all this week. We didn't have any camps or anything in school hasn't is just starting. And so he's home and I set him up with his iPad, and he's watching his favorite shows. And I said, you get a big day because I have a recording session after this. So I said, you get this big day of recording. And he's so excited. And Laura and I started talking because nowadays we're always like, you can't have screens we have to really limit and here's your your allotted 30 minutes or whatever. And it's like Laura and I were mentioning bad. We used to binge watch TV, we would we would come home from school and it was TV through dinner.

Laura Orr: 9:42

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, I grew up dirt during Satanic Panic, so we weren't allowed to go anywhere. They always thought we were gonna get snatched up. So I watched a lot of a lot of TV and there was really nothing you know, it's just the way things were but you Oh, yes and

Kara Edwards: 10:00

your records not old. So it is okay. We actually do grow up if we if we watch TV, we still do grow up to be, you know, contributing humans on this planet.

Bill Childs: 10:16

Yeah, just that the question made me think of was we got cable pretty early on and it was right when MTV had launched I don't remember exactly when I was around for that. And I remember wanting to watch MTV, this is maybe 11 or 12, something like that. And, and my parents should have talked about and thinking about a lot and I assume they watched some first and they said, Okay, you can watch him TV. But at least at first for like the first week or so they had me just keep track of how many acts of violence there were and how many acts of violence there were against women, which was a really interesting way to go about it. Right. And yeah, I mean, it's it's a theme I want to come back to when we're talking about vape because I think it's an interesting way to depending on the age to say okay, you get to watch it. But here are some tools that I want you to be aware of as you're doing so so that you're not so you're not just being a passive sort of recipient of

Kara Edwards: 11:12

this is incredible. This is I actually like this makes me want to like pause our podcast run inside give him a pen and paper.

Laura Orr: 11:22

You have three hours of TV today, but I want you to start writing down that's

Kara Edwards: 11:27

actually you're so right bill like what a way to nail how to like and especially against women, man, your parents were like the best parents ever.

Bill Childs: 11:36

They definitely thought about stuff like that. Yeah, that's incredible. I

Kara Edwards: 11:39

wish I mean, that's pretty cool. That's really Yeah, so what are you watching today on TV?

Bill Childs: 11:47

Um, so I was I was thinking about that today I'm trying to remember what all we have. So I have sort of different categories of TV right so if I'm I traveled a fair amount for my day job and on that I tend to sort of go back through series that I've watched before so I'm on close to the end of a Buffy the Vampire Slayer rewatch for TV AirPlay viewing and love that show still love that show. I know that there's some some issues with with Joss but I still think the show is pretty great in a lot of respects. We've been watching Top Chef that's been a show we've watched for a long time and really enjoyed and love what we do in the shadows need to get caught back up on that. I think that is amazing and hilarious.

Laura Orr: 12:29

That's where you're after my heart.

Kara Edwards: 12:32

Just got dreamy. I haven't seen that one yet, but you just got super dreamy. Oh yeah.

Laura Orr: 12:36

It's a weird and wacky comedy. It's really

Bill Childs: 12:40

all of those things for sure.

Laura Orr: 12:41

Yeah. If you're a Flight of the Conchords fan and Tycho ytt then it's right up your alley. Okay. She cares like

Kara Edwards: 12:52

that you guys have something

Laura Orr: 12:55

when you say that to Bella, it reminds me of a show that I'm super excited is coming out with a with a season two is good omens or is anyone know I a fan

Bill Childs: 13:06

never watched me I need to I need to watch that. My our older child, they are really, really into good omens. That was what they were having their hands at all at all moments, growing up and other related books, and they were really reluctant to watch that. Not because they thought it was going to be bad necessarily, but just because it wasn't gonna be what was in their head. That's always a challenge to go from the book to Yeah, the screening of anything.

Kara Edwards: 13:33

Right. No question,

Laura Orr: 13:35

but they were pleased. Sorry.

Bill Childs: 13:37

No, I don't think that I still don't think they've watched it. Oh,

Laura Orr: 13:41

for that reason alone. Did not read the book myself. But I will say that the show is a delight. And I am so excited to watch it again. I'm the season one because I'm going to and then watch season two when it comes out.

Bill Childs: 13:58

If you're a fan, I also love taskmaster. I don't know if you've watched taskmaster.

Laura Orr: 14:01

Oh, what's taskmaster?

Bill Childs: 14:03

It is a wild British panel comedy show. And the way I am going to describe it is not is gonna sound stupid. But basically, it's a it's a I think it's five comedians generally are on this panel. And they're given a bunch of tasks by the taskmaster and them doing it as filmed and they're very, very funny. And again, like I said, That's not good. That sounds not good. I assure you, it's all on YouTube. If you go and watch it. It's it's a delight.

Kara Edwards: 14:33

You actually had me at British comedy. Just always really good.

Laura Orr: 14:41

I love it. I love it.

Kara Edwards: 14:42

I feel like we need to, to you've mentioned because I'm so curious now how you're going to tie this all together. Obviously the movie that we're going to be talking about and reviewing today is baby bah I drew the 9095 Classic and as much as I my brain immediately wants to go tell us everything about why you feel this is you, whatever. We'll get there. Yes, we'll get there. I promise. Bill, would you like to? First tell us why you chose babe? And then tell us a little bit about the movie tell everyone a little about the movie who maybe it's there's someone listening on the planet that hasn't seen it? What the premises?

Bill Childs: 15:32

Yeah, so it's so why I thought of it. It was mostly that was a movie that we really, really loved watching with our kids. And there were I'm sure there were some other ones. But I've kind of glanced over my, our stack of DVDs. And that was the one that jumped out. And it fundamentally is about a pig who turns out to while all of the animals speak, and this pig catches the eye of a farmer and becomes a sheep pig becomes able to help herd the sheep. But not through barking and yelling and rage but through being kind and gentle and and friendly. And that doesn't even scratch the surface of what makes the movie as lovely as it is. But that's the sort of fundamental idea of it. I think it's I would note that the first producer of this, I don't know if you noticed, this is George Miller of Mad Max and Mad Max Fury Road fame. So which I think is a fascinating pairing.

Laura Orr: 16:35

Yeah, the brain on that guy. guy that actually explains why this movie is. Is is visually as amazing as it is, I would say which

Kara Edwards: 16:45

which is funny, because when we very first turned it on, and it's available when I went to search for it, it's available to streaming pretty much everywhere you can you can pay to rent it. You can also just stream it with commercials, which is what we did. Yeah, you can get it for free. But when we very first put it on, I have a seven year old son, and we watched it together and the first thing he said in the opening credits before the movie even started he went, Man, these graphics are terrible, really. And then the live action but then the actual movie came on and he goes Okay, good. It's a lot better now. Action what part

Laura Orr: 17:21

of a graphic opening?

Bill Childs: 17:23

Well, I think the credits is maybe what he was talking about. Yeah.

Kara Edwards: 17:26

Spinning when they're just kind of doing these kind of slow and it because it is a slower movie. For sure. Which is the thing I of course love about it. I talk about that all the time. I love when things calm down and they're not in your face. Right so but just that kind of slow, very simple graphics. He was like oh, how underwhelming Okay, the animals talk. Amen.

Laura Orr: 17:47

Isn't it so great when kids just get this attitude about a movie? Yeah, show that you that they know like you really want them to see. You're like, Look at this. It's gonna be so good. And it was made when I was a kid and I can just see Daphne like trying to come up with reasons to get out of it. Let's, let's

Bill Childs: 18:05

assume that that's that's something that you come across a fair amount on this podcast, right is like I remember I was never actually a big fan of The Goonies. My wife liked it more. And they watched it. The kids watched it with her. And that's it. That's a rough one. I don't know if you've done that on this. Oh,

Kara Edwards: 18:21

yeah. We haven't talked around the unit. But I've I've obviously is from my childhood, and I was like your wife. I always loved it growing up. And I showed it to my son. He was into it. Now my stepdaughter is the exact same age had no interest in it whatsoever. But mice, she was actually scared by

Bill Childs: 18:38

it. You know,

Kara Edwards: 18:40

my son was like, This is great because he was obsessed with data. The kid with all the technological gadgets you would that's totally that's literally my child. Personality wise. So he was like, this movie is awesome.

Laura Orr: 18:56

Yeah, Daphne didn't wasn't interested either. I told there there I told her that it was that there was a pirate element to it. And when she found out that you don't actually see pirates, she was like, No, I'm out. But yeah, it is also pretty scary. The villains are not they're pretty rough. Yeah, sorry.

Kara Edwards: 19:13

Which, which I will say you don't find so much in babe the movie that we're talking about? No, no. There's, there's no pirate. Thank you. Thank you.

Laura Orr: 19:27

Actually, Kara has to actually play that world quite often because I'm like, I'm like a helium filled balloon. Sometimes she's got to pull the string every once in a while. Kami to come back down. It's fine.

Kara Edwards: 19:42

But it's true is with this movie. And I which also leads us to the question bill that we always ask, before we review a show is and I'm gonna start with you, Bill, should they watch it?

Bill Childs: 19:56

So I've been thinking about that a lot over the last couple of days. And I think for me, the answer is yes, absolutely. But I think it is worth being sure you're ready to have the conversations that you're going to have to have after it. And there's a couple of different ones, but sort of fundamentally, are you ready to have a conversation about killing animals for food? And and are you ready to talk about sort of death more generally, to some extent, right? Death of animals of creatures that have have brains, we were cool with that. We are omnivorous here. I was okay. With that conversation. We, you know, I had a former student of mine who she and her husband started a pig farm out in Western Massachusetts, and my kids went and helped care for the animals and understood that that pork that we got in our freezer at the end of the month came from that pig that they were taking care of. And that was okay. Like, that was a conversation we were ready to have. And I think it's appropriate to have, but you need to know, you need to know that that's coming, right? This is not. And if if you're not ready to have that conversation, it's probably not the right time to watch the movie.

Laura Orr: 21:07

I agree. And I was reading some articles about this movie and the effect that it did have on its audience and there was an uptick in vegetarianism amongst younger people after the movie came out. In fact, the actor who played the farmer, what James chromo, James, vegan, super vague and an activist, right?

Kara Edwards: 21:27

Yeah, he after the movie prior to the movie, he was not he, after after filming the movie became 100% vegan, and joined PETA, and has become a big animal rights activist.

Bill Childs: 21:41

Please tell me that's fascinating. Yeah, I

Laura Orr: 21:42

think he produced a documentary about the conditions and the slaughterhouses. And, yeah, this this was life changing for him. He said, This is one of the most important projects that he had ever done. He, he said his career was kind of felt like it was wrapping up a little bit too. And that this kind of put him back into the spotlight because this movie was nominated for several Academy Awards. It

Kara Edwards: 22:05

was nominated for Best Supporting Actor. Yeah. And he actually, he almost didn't do this movie, because when he read the script, he had a whole 16 lines in the movie, right? And he almost didn't do it. And one of his friends talked him into doing the movie because he was like, Dude, it's a free trip to Australia. Like why?

Laura Orr: 22:25

Literally is set in the Shire? Like,

Kara Edwards: 22:29

why not? I mean, it'll be easy enough. And then this literally changed the course of his entire life

Laura Orr: 22:36

entire life. Yeah, he

Bill Childs: 22:37

said, it. It's interesting that you say that he was and I'm sure you're right, that was nominated for Supporting Actor. My initial reaction was like, No, he was clearly the lead actor, but but at the same time, he had almost no light in every scene, effectively. And so I guess that makes him a supporting actor. But I mean, it tells you something about James Cromwell. Yeah. How impressive he was with almost no words.

Laura Orr: 22:59

He was he was great. Yeah, the lead actor, I guess you would be safe to say was Christine Cavanaugh? Who is Chucky the voice actor for baby? Yeah, she she was also the Chucky from Rugrats. And Dexter from Dexter's Laboratory. Her her voice is iconic it's rings throughout my childhood so

Kara Edwards: 23:16

so many choices in there because the voice of the cat is Rusi Taylor who is my voice acting hero who is also the voice of Minnie Mouse. Oh, the reason I'm a voice actor is roussy Taylor oh my gosh okay that yeah wow there's I mean you look through the cast and it's like it's literally the who's who of voice acting that's awesome. And even the Rex was actually let me look it up was L L. Xe I don't know my Lord of the Rings well enough to be able to just like throw these out there. But the voice of Rex is L Ron didn't Lord of the Rings he Oh, well that when you see his face you're like, Oh, dude, you're super famous.

Laura Orr: 23:54

Another Shire reference. We're gonna have to do the magical What is it the law of threes? We're gonna have to do our Lord of rings somewhere else. Yeah, to satisfy that and

Kara Edwards: 24:03

I have not even asked you yet Laura. I feel like I know your answer here below. Should they watch it?

Laura Orr: 24:09

I'm a yes. I'm a total Yes. Yeah. Again, I think I love the I love again Bella. Just keep thinking about what your parents did about letting you watch MTV and just kind of having you take note of these problematic things as you're watching. I think that's so smart. And I think that that would be a really again smart way to to watch this movie because there are things that you know are attention grabbing that might need additional conversations, either during or afterwards. So what about you Kara? Should they watch it?

Kara Edwards: 24:47

No, I'm a yes, yeah. I I am a big animal lover. I grew up on a farm. We we did not have a farm where we were we slaughtered and Most that was not a part of my

Laura Orr: 25:01

users stuff to them

Kara Edwards: 25:02

we my wife, but I was about to say but my dad was a taxidermist. We did not slaughter animals for consumption or for life we they were they was

Bill Childs: 25:17

for entertainment.

Kara Edwards: 25:19

Decker decoration decoration, specifically.

Laura Orr: 25:23

For more information on Karis childhood there in the taxidermied part of her life, listen to episode two where we discuss the Walley

Kara Edwards: 25:31

world. And we discuss it at length. I know I had a really weird childhood. There were there were a lot of dead animals around me, but just not in the typical sense. And I never witnessed the slaughtering. I never witnessed what they talked about in this movie, because typically these animals were brought to my father by hunters. So they arrived to see so Laura loves this stuff.

Laura Orr: 26:00

weird and wacky wine. I love

Kara Edwards: 26:03

it. And then they went on the wall from there. So but, but I do love I mean, I'm I am a huge animal lover. I mean, we did have a farm and I had so many of these animals growing up that were pets. They never made it to our dinner table. That wasn't something we did. We definitely went down to the local grocery store and got our gutter fill of death there.

Laura Orr: 26:29

The animals were long dead before.

Kara Edwards: 26:31

Oh, yeah, there were long dead. I didn't have to witness it. But but it was an interesting because my son being seven years old is he has to been toying around with Am I vegetarian among non vegetarian, and I always laugh about he's like vegetarian ish, is that he's very vegetarian until he sees a meat he'd like to eat. But this one I watched his little face. So there was definitely some little light bulbs going off like, oh, maybe I'm back to being vegetarian.

Laura Orr: 27:03

Yeah, I mean, the movie opens up in a slaughterhouse. What are they? Do they say that he was raised without light? Or something

Kara Edwards: 27:11

like yeah, raised with Allah. And then

Bill Childs: 27:13

he was separated from from, like, all the pigs are separated from their moms thinking they're going off to somewhere magical, but in fact, they're going to the slaughterhouse. And then there's also the scene later, where our, our sort of putative hero, the farmer does kill a duck. We don't get to we don't see that. But we think it might be the duck. We know. And it turns out, it's a different doc, but presumably a talking duck. And I think we don't know her name if I remember right?

Kara Edwards: 27:38

Yeah. It's like rows and rows, lean or something. Rosalind and they they talk about like, the ducks, the animals. I'll have a conversation about how she was such a kind person, you're such a kinda

Laura Orr: 27:51

had a moment of grief. Yeah, they actually. Like, yeah, we're so sad to see you there on the Thanksgiving table. Yeah, it's pretty, it was pretty gnarly to watch on. You know, there were several dark moments on the show, but we can get to that during the problematic part first, who was the audience? You guys? Who do you think he was gonna watch the show movie?

Kara Edwards: 28:15

though? I'm gonna let you take that one first.

Bill Childs: 28:18

Yeah, so people ask me questions like that about the radio show too. And now that like, my kids are 20 and 23, or whatever they are, it's harder for me to remember sort of what's appropriate at what age I but my my gut is that it's, you know, probably not a lot younger than than six or seven. And I think enjoyable up through almost almost any age. But there's got to be a curve there too, right? It's going to be there's not a one size fits all on any of this stuff. And it's a lot depends on how you think it's gonna land for your kid. And again, if you're ready to have that conversation with with that kid, we, you know, through various sad reasons. Our kids were more familiar with death earlier than a lot of kids and so kind of more ready to have that conversation at an earlier age. My guess is that we first watched this maybe my son was five or six with him would be my guess. And and I think they still would enjoy watching it now. But I'm really curious about your views, since you're much closer to kids of that relevant

Laura Orr: 29:20

Yeah, I think six to 10 is a good age, it does move at a slower pace than what I think our kids are used to now. But I think what's really great about the movie as they designate the scenes as chapters, this movie was originally this movie is based off of a book. And so I think as an homage to that they they included chapters in the movie that gave I think it was a smart way to break things up for younger viewers. And also a good way to divide up the viewing if you want to watch the movie, but you don't want to sit through the entire hour and a half. And the mice are really entertaining. They come in and they they introduce the chapter and you know But the they, I think that they it was cool that they use the mice to read the words so that if your child isn't a reader, yet they still they know what is being said to them. So I think it is meant for kids around that age, but I would say six to 10. What do you think Kara?

Kara Edwards: 30:19

You know, I agree in it. And Bill we talked about this so often is it really does depend on your kid, I knew that I wasn't going to have any trouble sitting down with my son watching this. The only thing I was worried about with him was it is that slow pace. And yes, there were times in the movie that he started moving around, or, you know, playing with a toy, but then he would immediately get drawn back in. And at the end, I asked him, did you like it? And yeah, I mean, it was real quick, that was good. I don't know my stepdaughter, she's six months younger. And I don't know if she would do as well with these concepts of killing the animals for food and the slower pace, I don't know that I would rush to watch it with her. And I remember this movie, I would have been graduating high school when this movie came out. And I remember watching it in the theaters. And so I remember being very highly entertained by it, like loving the movie. So I agree that six I you know, five, six that the youngest and then on up through adulthood?

Laura Orr: 31:24

Yeah, we I definitely had a little trouble just understanding what was going on. Okay. And so there was this me having to reinforce like, you really do need to listen to the dialogue, I know that this isn't an action heavy movie, and the things that are catching her attention were the animals when they were talking and then some of the funny like physical comedy. But when it was slow down, and there was a lot of dialogue, it was she had trouble under, you know, following that, just so the plot was being explained to her through me quite a bit. Yeah. But I don't know if that's just my kid, or if that's just because a lot of the movies and shows that kids consume now, don't have. I mean, we've talked about this plenty of times that movies in our generation, they did make way for a lot more dialogue and a lot more, they spent a lot more time in the opening development of the character Yes, and the development of the plot before you got to the action. And so nowadays,

Kara Edwards: 32:21

literally you sit down and it's like action action, we care about the character development and get in there,

Laura Orr: 32:27

big CGI, blow something up.

Bill Childs: 32:30

It's funny, because at first I put in our DVD of it, and it just looked terrible. Like it just made me realize how much better blu rays look out. And so I switched over to Prime Video, which had at least a better print of it, but I was watching the trailers before it, which would not let you skip, which is one of the most demanding things imaginable. And so as contemporaneous movies, right, it came out not long after I didn't so is that really bad Cat in the Hat and the movie I completely forgotten existed called Johnny English. And I mean, those trailers were a good reminder that it's not just movies now that are really just sort of over the top action and exposition and not letting you get confused or not making you work at all to get there. And I don't want to sound like old crotchety guy like you should have to work for the movies. But there's something good about that right about so and you use the term slow a lot and i get i It's not inaccurate. I like the idea of it being gentle, is sort of the way I would describe the pace of this movie. And sort of creating an atmosphere. It's almost Studio Ghibli, like for me in some respects. So I'm not sure where I'm going with that. But that's I was just gonna note that

Kara Edwards: 33:41

interesting. So we often talk about when we review a show, we always talk about what what do we like about it? What do we think is good? And then what are the things that are problematic? So I'm gonna start with the good bill, what do you love about this movie?

Bill Childs: 33:55

Well, I really do like the pace and the tone, I think there's value in having entertainment for kids, whether it's music or movies or TV or or anything else that is sort of more deliberate, maybe, I guess, would be the word. And some of it you just sit with rather than it being sort of a constant stream of stuff that you I like that it is smart and honest about what farms are about. And our hero again, the farmer it's really interesting. James Cromwell sort of went a different direction, but he's not shown as being a wicked human for the fact that he is using animals for food, but they also don't shy away from the fact that that is what he's doing and I think that's really interesting. I also just love the look of the movie I am ordinarily horrified by talking animals because they're done in such a way that Oh, creepy. Yeah, some something about this just work. I don't know how much I think it was mostly puppets and maybe some some real animals with with CGI. Maybe you guys know CGI, no CGI. Okay, whatever it is. It's it's a dang delight. Yeah,

Kara Edwards: 35:06

it's amazing. Yeah. The the animals they the way that they did the animals. Yeah, cuz there is no CGI and so when there was they use trainers and the trainers would of course have to be really close to the animals. I found this thing that said that babe was actually played by 48 different large white Yorkshire pigs. Come on. Really? That's amazing. Eight different pigs were used to play baby. And I will note that none of those pigs actually went to slaughter. Oh, they had contracts on each of the pigs and they all went to homes where they were never allowed to be put down or so all 48 pigs lived an amazing life following the movie when we save

Laura Orr: 35:49

up in animal like that. It also there's just like this morbidity of that anyways, like Yeah, I'm glad that we're saved but like one man like, Oh, no.

Kara Edwards: 35:58

Yeah, any of the distance shots that they had to do, they actually would bring in animatronics. As as an actor I have worked with animatronics before and I'm going to tell you straight up nothing scares me more than animatronic animals. Creepy us and the way I did a commercial once with animatronic pigs, and the pigs freaked me out so bad because I was supposed to act surprised by the pigs and they kept going. You have a look of fear in your eyes and I'm like, I cannot act my way out.

Laura Orr: 36:32

Cara, Cara, you're doing a great job. But if you look

Kara Edwards: 36:36

just look a little less horrified or less terrified. But there is a plastic pig that is moving like a real pig but it definitely has a man's arm up that's behind control. And someone else with a remote control that I can't get. I did not do there's a reason I'm a voice actor now.

Laura Orr: 36:56

No more animatronics for Kara. This one they did work with Jim Henson studios to get these. So I'm not at all surprised that the pup I thought it was so well done. Well, I do not like CGI on animals and baby faces to make them talk. It freaks me out. Yep, I would much rather have a look who's talking thing where they just don't move their face or mouth at all. Or something like this. This works way better. For me. My brain is way more receptive to her son.

Kara Edwards: 37:27

And it goes to show you like It's like deer studios. Don't go for CGI go hire animal trainers, because it looks more realistic. And it is more enjoyable to watch.

Bill Childs: 37:38

Well, I listened to your episode about part of your episode about Jurassic Park. And you talked about the CGI in that movie sort of taking you out of it. Which, which when I've watched Jurassic Park in recent years, I can see what you mean there never happened here. No, it was like, Oh, okay. They talk. Cool. Moving right along.

Laura Orr: 37:54

Yeah, it was great. You know, something else that I really liked about this was we talked a little bit at the beginning how in the factory farm, the pigs there that lived there were in a cruel and sunless world, I think is what they said. But it was told in this once upon a time approach. So I felt like that was their way of adding hope to the situation that seems kind of bleak, because this is something that happened in the past. And this was once upon a time. So this is something that we used to do is we got our food in this in this way. That was cool and sunless and so I felt like they were putting a hopeful message in there that one day these these, these conditions will not continue. And so broadly speaking, I think this was a cool message of hope that although things aren't great, they can always change. Yeah, and I think that's inspiring, and that's important for kids to hear. For sure that you know,

Kara Edwards: 38:54

so and kind of just the overall lesson of like, you never want to judge a book by its cover. Don't just say a pig is a pig don't just say yeah, you know absolutely that the mean dog is

Bill Childs: 39:05

definitely stupid, right? That's just pigs are definitely stupid.

Kara Edwards: 39:09

They're stupid and I love this scene where they there's this great scene from the narrator who is spectacular and they talk about you know, the cuz the pigs are stupid like the the dog new bull or they do is that actually the sheep and the dog that would it was in the, the dog knew she was to have to speak very slowly, because we're so stupid and then it flips in there like and the sheep knew they would have to be very simple because dogs are data and they come with their judgments against each other, which they prove they are not and so I think there's a beautiful lesson in here absolutely about get to know somebody and don't just judge them based on who they are in what they are.

Laura Orr: 39:48

Yeah. Yeah. If it's if I think that's inherently like what we don't understand we fear right? Yeah. And that otherness that they challenge I really like that Yeah, okay. And Bill, you kind of hinted on this earlier about this babes approach to the animals rather than using fear, violence and intimidation against another, you know, living being to bend them to your will use kindness. And ultimately that is the more effective approach. I thought that was a really cool message for kids to see as well. Apps Yeah, baby actually kind of reminds me my husband. You can just asked someone nicely to do something and they'll do it. Yeah, I guess your husband's just nice. He's talked me into so many things where I'm like, Wait, did we just move into a house and I'm six months pregnant? How did we do that? Like how did you get to that? asked

Kara Edwards: 40:50

you nicely shirt. He

Laura Orr: 40:52

did something.

Bill Childs: 40:53

There might have been something else besides asking. I just, I tell

Laura Orr: 40:57

him I'm like, I feel like you tricked me into doing this. I was just, but i want it i You convinced me that I wanted this thing. And I didn't want it. He's like, Babe, it's Cara knows.

Kara Edwards: 41:08

Yeah. Anyways, okay, but I am dying to jump into okay, what what is problematic about babe, when you watch something so common, so sweet. It can be very difficult to go there sexually something problematic here. But I know I have a couple of things on my list. But Bill, I would love to start with you.

Bill Childs: 41:28

So it's an interesting question. I'm super curious about about your views on it. I mean, we've already touched on the stuff that might be upsetting, which is different than being problematic, right? There's, there's some scary scenes, there was one of the scenes early the lights of the truck in that very opening scene when the when the Yeah, babies are being abandoned. It almost reminded me of the flashlights and et that I think, no, that's right. They like remove the guns and replace them with the flashlights in the in the rerelease of that. And I remember being pretty freaked out by those flashlights. And so what sort of echoed that for me, but I think that's a different different question than being things that are being problematic about it. You know, I think there was a little bit of, of, of humor or mockery of the farmer's wife based on her weight, but I think that was fairly minimal. And and I think there was, this isn't exactly problematic, but it's worth noting, definitely sort of a really a hesitation to adopt or accept new technology, which isn't, again, not problematic, exactly, but interesting that they, I think it was setting up this con this this conflict that the movie views is an inherent conflict between new and old, slaughterhouse highly technologically created slaughter of pigs and they're starting to feed the pigs with the metal machines and so on and so forth. You can also say that with the fax machine, versus this pure and good thing being the old family farm, where where they don't do any of those things, and the farmer is kind and that might set up a little bit of a kind of a conflict that isn't necessarily always the case it is possibly modern and humane but, but nothing that really nothing that made me recoil the way again, I never actually saw Ace Ventura, but I saw that y'all did it. I can I can only imagine that that is probably just chock full of Oh yeah,

Laura Orr: 43:31

that was a no for

Kara Edwards: 43:32

us. Unfortunately,

Laura Orr: 43:35

that was horrifying.

Kara Edwards: 43:37

They are fun to talk about when they're so problematic crocodile was another one Yeah, it's so interesting. You can actually start the entire time talking about all the things that were so offensive Yeah, I'm not gonna be the case with baby in a movie like this you really do have to get kind of petty to come up with problematic and Bill I like that you said it's not necessarily problematic but it is to be noted and just yeah options for additional conversations with your kids

Laura Orr: 44:06

and you know the

Kara Edwards: 44:07

first thing that I had on my list and I'm going pure patty with this one is the ADR is some of the worst ADR I've ever seen in a movie er is known as audio dialogue replacement. Oh

Bill Childs: 44:20

there were parts where I thought my that the there was something wrong with him. I definitely yeah.

Kara Edwards: 44:29

So bad.

Laura Orr: 44:29

Don't adjust your screens. It is

Kara Edwards: 44:31

just old it it's just ADR they did not worry about it's called Lip flaps. It's when they go in it's when they film a scene and they realize the audio is not very good for whatever reason. Some of the worst though, and it's literally some of the worst I've seen and then they go into the studio and the actors rerecord their lines and you don't want the audience to notice it but literally throughout the entire movie and it is the wife that it seems to be the worst with and I'm assuming she by Stick on in and just read done. She do read it every single line that she said in the movie. And they were like, You know what, it's good enough. It's close. And it was like watching anime but real life like it was.

Bill Childs: 45:11

Genuinely I genuinely thought there was something wrong with with our system or I would have mentioned that. It was really,

Laura Orr: 45:18

it really.

Kara Edwards: 45:19

I mean, it took me so far out of the movie as a voice actor that I was like, they're literally in especially that opening scene where they're at the county fair, anytime a background actor talked like their mouths would still be moving and they would be like, hey, their former you want to come see the pig wall mobile poll would continue. And I'm like, This is literally the worst enemy I've ever seen.

Laura Orr: 45:44

I can tell which one of us is in which one of us is in like this? Audio isn't because I'm sitting here like

Kara Edwards: 45:51

an industry. I know. It drove me bonkers. Okay, but then it real real problems outside of if you're in audio production, and this will literally make us like, break out in hives. Yes, what we've already talked about be ready for your kids to want to go vegan. There's an and when I say violence, it is such mild amounts of violence. But it is animals that are chasing after and biting sheep. There's kind of this weird little domestic violence thing between Papa dog and Mama dog.

Laura Orr: 46:22

Yeah, rattle? Can we just say Rex is kind of a violent jerk like Rex is totally. And there are moments where they start there are moments where they're making excuses for him. And ultimately, he does do something redemptive. But I feel like messages of forgiveness when it comes to violence against intimate partners is kind of a tricky place to hang your cat and Kid movies. It's like the Beauty and the Beast thing is, yes, they do redeem themselves. But you also need to be mindful of what got you here in the first place. We're going to tranquilize you

Kara Edwards: 46:53

but we're going to tell you you're still a really good doll. Yeah. After you attacked your wife and then bit the farmer. Yeah. Yeah, it's a real that's real. That's in it. And yeah, that for me was probably the one of the more cringy things that was already ready for the talk about veganism after the movie and the slaughtering, and I guess I had kind of forgotten that. And I was like, Yeah, I love that. See? And if you're if your mom had been here, that would have been written down on my list. Okay, so

Bill Childs: 47:26

no, it's a good point. I had written down like that. It was good to that. I liked that they showed Rex's history not to sort of not to excuse what he was doing. But to show that people have reasons like right there's sure there's explanations that are not necessarily excuses. I had forgotten or at least I didn't put down in my notes, him biting his wife, I don't know what the right word is, in that context, partner partner. And you're right, that that is that is a, some contextualization that is probably more than is appropriate. But it's a conversation to have to,

Laura Orr: 47:58

it's a conversation. It's not what the whole movie is based on. But it's a moment, it's a moment of reflection.

Kara Edwards: 48:04

It's worth it's worth noting, for sure.

Laura Orr: 48:08

There's also again, we've talked about this a little bit more at length, but I just want to drive it home, there is a lingering threat of babe being killed and eaten. So if your child is sensitive to that, like mine, like there was the question of like, Yeah, but is he gonna get eaten? Is this gonna happen? Are we dealing with this today? Like, is this with this going to happen in this movie, so just so you know, like that is there as about and then

Kara Edwards: 48:31

also his realization that that's why he's there, like he has to go through in a very emotional stylization of Oh God, my parents, this is where my parents ended up. This is where my brothers and sisters ended up. This is where I'm gonna end. I can't we just

Laura Orr: 48:47

laugh a little bit about that. All of that, like the dark place that his mind went was totally relieved. Because the farmer does it song and dance. He's like, Oh, it's nice. I'm gonna eat now. It's like, oh, okay, now we're back to the happy place. And

Kara Edwards: 49:05

it's a great dad. He did a really creeped me out of a deep depression. For sure. I can, I'd say, you know,

Bill Childs: 49:12

what you just said that reminded me though, is one of the things I loved was how was fly. Was that the name of the of the mom dog. Yeah, I loved how she was just sort of gentle but blunt about what was going on where where his parents were and all the rest. I thought that was a really nice model for parenting. Like, that was always our sort of fundamental goal was even about this is for parents, I can say this. Even about stuff like Santa, we didn't lie about it, we would duck and weave a lot. But But we, you know, we celebrated Santa and so on and so forth. We're not monsters. But if if somebody asked us a very direct question that we couldn't answer, in a way that would sort of facilitate the myth without lying, we wouldn't lie about it. We would do a lot of well, what do you think? And it When when my dad died, kids were 11 and eight, I think. And it was a lot of that same thing, which is, you know, you're not wanting to say he's gonna get better or he's, you know, whatever else. It's, you know, you're honest. And you figure out what they can take and what they can't take. And I thought that was a really nice bit of modeling.

Kara Edwards: 50:16

I totally agree with you. It is. I mean, it is kind of how it flies a great mom. Oh, yeah. And it's also how I tried to be with Michael is I'm very like, let's let's just get it out in the open and talk about it.

Laura Orr: 50:28

Yeah. And she embraced babe. Right away. She was the first one to draw attention to

Kara Edwards: 50:33

I mean, how could you not as soon as that pig looked at you and said, Can I call your mom?

Laura Orr: 50:38

Come on? Yeah. tears coming out of his eye use that little voice. He's seen Kavanaugh on asking you Yeah, just spectacular. Yeah, meet you either babe. flagel, she's amazing. Um, there is also something else that just kind of stuck out to me, and I'm not sure if either of you agree with me or not, I'm still kind of crunching on it. But this idea of animals only being as important as the purpose that they serve to humans. And also some messages of intelligence. We, you mentioned it earlier, like pigs are stupid. But this, this being a marker of value. And these things are presented during the conversations between the animals. And I just that stuck out to me because I feel like, right now, it's really important to teach our kids empathy and kindness and those values need to be instilled regardless of intelligence or potential for capital gain or what, how, how valuable I perceive to you is going to be can you know, is going to be the the reason I gave you kindness or show you kindness, I just don't know if that's really something that conditional relationship, I don't that's not something that I want my kids to, you know, embody. Obviously, I don't think that's want our kids to embody that. And so it is in there, but it's kind of

Kara Edwards: 52:01

glossed over in a way that's

Bill Childs: 52:04

ultimately rejected. I mean, I think it is 100%. Their picture, definitely stupid was a title one title card, and there's the line in that same section, that boss is only stupid animals, like sheep and ducks and chickens. So 100%, it is presented. My my take away from it is that that ultimately is rejected by the end by the fact that an animal that is ordinarily thought of as only being for food, pig, is achieving a different thing and is clearly not stupid. I mean, it's still a question that's asked because it does not reject the notion of eating animals for food. Smart horse, right. But

Kara Edwards: 52:43

they also kind of cover it when when you're talking about like that the animals are here to serve a purpose for us. And that is their purpose on life. Ferdinand the duck, like they, he kind of rejects that as well, because there's a moment where he's trying to prove his worth, don't slaughter me, I'll wake you up in the morning, and I'll be a better rooster than the rooster. And they're like, I wish that duck would shut up. And finally, one day, he's like, that's it. I'm gone. I'm on my own. Right. And he does take off and like, you will not slaughter me, you will not own me. And so there is one animal that is like, I will not be ruled by humans. Of course he does come back doesn't

Laura Orr: 53:21

go on the run after he trashes their house. He's kind of like a troublemaker. Yeah, and yeah, I know. I know. I do think that they do. Try to reject it. But in some ways, I felt like they were reinforcing it. Like, even babes. Like, his different role as being a sheepdog was was rewarded, because he went to contest and he impressed people and

Kara Edwards: 53:51

this is it like if I had but how else are they gonna do it? Right? I had one more complaint about this movie. It's the fact that in the the ending scene when everybody's like, laughing at the pig, and then they all cheer it like I would love to know what the director was telling the actors the extras to do during that scene, because there's an unusual amount of hugging the all of the people it really distracted me because I was like, I guess that they were supposed to start cheering for the pig that that did what it was supposed to do. But like, they're all hugging and they love it in a way like the extras are acting so strange in this scene, and I'm like, did you guys just film this after a really long day and the actors revolted? Did

Laura Orr: 54:37

like stand up and hug, stand up and

Kara Edwards: 54:40

hug like, like, did they pick it out? Like did you draw a lottery number? And so every 20th Extra had to hug whoever was next to him. It's really like to watch that it's worth going back just to watch the cheering scene from the extras because it really weirded me.

Laura Orr: 54:56

I'm gonna have to watch several things again that you've mentioned it Speaking of but not also kind of not. That's a trope that I actually embrace when I see in a movie is when everything is good and random people just start hugging each other. And I'm talking about like, fair to people will just maybe start

Kara Edwards: 55:15

making better extras

Laura Orr: 55:17

because I know like the main characters like what's that? What is it? Is it Happy Gilmore at the end? We're just like, everything's good because he he won the spelling bee and then like these two characters that never interacted throughout the movie just hug at the end or maybe they kiss it's in several movies and I'm for it it doesn't happen anymore needs to be brought. No

Kara Edwards: 55:39

it does still and I'll tell you what it is it's in cartoons as a voice actor. We're actually known for cartoons always end with a laugh. And so when you're in a session at the end, the director will be like alright, so this is an end of show cartoon laugh. And that's just where all of the characters at the end or like we both succeeded.

Laura Orr: 55:59

And that never happened like if you end it you like if the three of us went bowling? We would not end the night by ah actually now

Kara Edwards: 56:11

that's how I want to end all of our podcasts will care if

Bill Childs: 56:14

we did to be clear only cares left which sound natural voice actor I'm actually

Kara Edwards: 56:26

I am trained to bill I am trained in how to how to laugh on cue. I can also look to the side on cue because in anime we are known for all like in real life if you look over at something or notice something you just notice it but in anime you always go huh? What? Huh?

Bill Childs: 56:45

Well that was kind of the shaggy wrote rhaggy Scooby, Scooby.

Laura Orr: 56:55

Scooby. Yeah, you're right. It is. Okay, yeah, yours definitely sounded like Scooby, I love it.

Kara Edwards: 57:02

We are dead or alive, by the way. But I do think we can probably go ahead and wrap this up. But unless anybody has any final thoughts on baby,

Laura Orr: 57:12

go see it, honestly, especially if you watched it as a kid. If you watched it as a kid and loved it, I think you're still going to love it. It's it's one of those movies that you'll watch again. And it's it ages very well, in my opinion. And I feel like

Kara Edwards: 57:27

there's one final thing I did put in my notes because I read it online and it hasn't fit anywhere in this podcast. But if it has to be on my brain. I feel like it needs to be in everyone. Oh, I can't wait. I did learn that they only used female pigs throughout the movie because male pigs apparently have large bits. Oh,

Laura Orr: 57:47

that's fair.

Bill Childs: 57:48

So if I got a nice euphemism they're large

Laura Orr: 57:57

and bits actually sound opposite of each other. If you think about it, they well they sound small, like I was trying to do it's talking about the area Oh, can I also add another fun fact go for the reason there were 48 Pigs is because that that specific breed of pigs grows very fast. They grow super super fast. So they would have to bring in another one and bring in another one. So that Bay wasn't you know, in a full flood you know, full grown adults by the end of it fasten anyways, doo doo doo doo doo.

Bill Childs: 58:27

So I have, can I go do two quick things, please. Okay. So first of all, is a just a short pig story, which is, for 30 years, I've been going to see the St. Paul saints, which is a minor league baseball team in St. Paul, Minnesota. And they have as their mascot a pig and they have an actual pig at every game who will bring the baseballs out to the umpire. And the the first season they announced they're doing this and the plan was to have a pig roast at the end of the season. And people freak the heck out. And so instead they go presumably to the same farm where all of the pigs from they go. And so the pigs grow larger and larger throughout the season. And it's it's a danger, right? So that's sort of my one pig story. The other thing that I want to say is sort of the through line in this and I want to ask you if you think this is a reasonable parallel I think three line in this is you can get people to do stuff to your kindness, right that that's more exploitive exploitative, but but it's a good way to motivate people. And I think a modern analog that has more stuff that would be difficult to watch with little kids is Ted lasso. And that's that's my position is that to some extent, it's the same energy and that's another show that I've watched him that I should have mentioned earlier.

Laura Orr: 59:40

Yes, because he is he is a You catch more flies with honey than vinegar kind of guy and he everything is on the upswing. Have you seen that? No.

Kara Edwards: 59:49

And it is on our list to start? Probably our next series that we're going to start

Laura Orr: 59:54

Oh, it's a good one. Watch it after good omens. Okay, because that's like a sixth episode. Both of you right now and then Ted last is like three seasons now right or around two

Bill Childs: 1:00:05

I think. I think we've done two and the third is coming out soon. Okay, great bill. Oh

Laura Orr: 1:00:09

my gosh, thank you so, so much for joining us. It's great to be here. Can you tell everyone where they can find you if they want to learn more about you?

Bill Childs: 1:00:18

Yeah, sure. The radio shows it's fair the rock.com Facebook Instagram Twitter at Spirit Rock. I'm on Twitter at Bill child's bi LLC hlds and ramble about a lot of very random things rarely about stuff that will be directly relevant to this but maybe it's interesting.

Laura Orr: 1:00:34

You did live to about I did.

Kara Edwards: 1:00:39

Phil, thank you so much for coming on and joining us this has been a lot of fun. This was awesome and thank you to everybody for

Laura Orr: 1:00:46

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Kara Edwards: 1:01:04

Amazing and if we do nothing else today, we are definitely laughing our way out of this podcast so 321. Scribe and follow us on Instagram