Should They Watch It?
Should They Watch It?
Ep. 63: Ms. Marvel
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The Marvel Universe has a new saga aimed at tweens and teens- Ms. Marvel - showing on Disney+. Fans online are giving this show mixed reviews, but what do Laura and Kara think? Kara is transported back to her childhood after watching, and we also learn Laura's husband is a Marvel Mega-fan. What do you think? Tune in and let us know! Plus - Laura watched Hocus Pocus 2 and gives us her review at the end of the podcast...yay Spooky Season!
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Pop Culture Happy Hour: Uncoupled on Apple Podcasts
The views and opinions expressed by the should they watch it podcast are those of two moms who happen to be a registered play therapist and a voice actor for cartoons. So while they may feel their opinions come from a knowledgeable place, they are still in fact just opinions. Should they watch it? A podcast that takes the task of reviewing your kid's favorite shows up your to do list? Hey, everybody, welcome to the should they watch Podcast? I'm Cara Edward. I'm
Laura Orr:Laura Orr,
Kara Edwards:Dejan today. I am excited today
Laura Orr:proud of you because I did not know how to sing this song. You just dove right in?
Kara Edwards:I mean, you know, I've got my superhero cape on in my head. Sure. actuality.
Laura Orr:Sure do. I sure do. And I'm glad to see it on you in my head. Actually. Yes. Today we're talking about Miss Marvel.
Kara Edwards:Give me a good superhero show. I have to tell you. I want to start out by asking. Are you familiar with the Marvel Universe?
Laura Orr:I'm familiar with it? My husband is way familiar with it. Oh, yes. Super, super fan. He has seen each movie in the Marvel universe like I over five times each one. I have seen a couple here and there. But I kind of get lost in all of it. It's just not my it's not my thing so much about you.
Kara Edwards:I am very unfamiliar. Okay with the Marvel Universe. Have you seen any of them? I know I have. But then I was listing them to my husband. And I was like, Yeah, I've seen all those Marvel movies like Superman, Wonder Woman and he was like, cool, because that's DC Comics. Yep. Those aren't Marvel is like, oh, okay, so no, I mean, I think
Laura Orr:I have it all started. I feel like with Iron Man once I've seen Iron Man. Okay. And there's like three of those, I think. Yeah,
Kara Edwards:I love Iron Man. That was super fun.
Laura Orr:And it's grown. I mean a lot and I haven't seen all of it. But Jeremy managed to get me into the last two movies of Thor has not seen Thor. Okay, well, he was able to appeal to me because it's a little bit more. It's a little bit funnier. It's directed by Tyco. ytt, which is he's somebody I am in love with actually and Chris homework, I mean, if you have a poll, so you're gonna enjoy looking at that. Okay, so that one is the one that I'm most familiar with. But there's like Hulk, She Hulk? Captain Marvel, Black Panther? The Avengers.
Kara Edwards:Okay, see, I've only I've only said that I've seen black panther. So basically, I went into this with no way to compare it to other Marvel properties like this. This was standalone for me. When I sat down and watched it.
Laura Orr:Jeremy told me that this is one of his favorites. Okay. And he really wanted me to watch it. He had already watched it. By the time I sat down to watch it for the podcast. And he watched it again with me. And I just wish you guys could have seen that experience. Because I feel like you know, when you're watching something with somebody, and they love it so much. And every once in a while they just look at you,
Kara Edwards:because they want to see if you're loving it as much as they are loving it. Yep. Okay, that's what
Laura Orr:was happening the entire time and I never really know what to do. Like, do I look back at them and smile and thumbs up them? Or do I just kind of pretend like I'm not being looked at right now? Or
Kara Edwards:do you start staring at the screen with like dreamy and love eyes so that they're like see we do bond we are we are you mega react to do together? Yeah, like?
Laura Orr:Or do you do the annoying therapist thing where you're like, you really want me to enjoy this? I didn't do it. But I did think that would be me and my poor husband. I'm the one that's like,
Kara Edwards:oh my god, stop looking at. What do you need from me right now? It's driving me nuts.
Laura Orr:I know. I know. Yes. That was what was happening to me in the moment. And I'm glad that I watched it. I mean, I was entertained by it. But um, I don't know I I think I'm like kind of lukewarm about the whole Marvel Universe. Okay, General. I don't know.
Kara Edwards:Okay, this is gonna be really interesting. So I'm gonna go ahead and start with our question, Laura, as you take a sip of your water. Should they watch it?
Laura Orr:I'll say Yeah, sure. Yeah, I'll say yes, it it was I was entertained the entire time. I learned a lot about a culture that I'm not entirely familiar with just because of where we live and who I am and right. So that was really cool. There were a lot of things to enjoy about this. So that's where I stand. What about you Kara? Should they watch
Kara Edwards:it? Okay. I very intentionally have not told you how I feel about the show. Okay. Because I am the biggest Yes, I have been of any show that we have watched for this podcast. This is my new favorite.
Laura Orr:Oh my god.
Kara Edwards:I love Miss Marvel I loved this show so much. I could not wait. I thought there were 10 episodes, there's only six, there's only six in season one. And for some reason I thought that was 10. So I was like, I gotta plow through this. I didn't even feel like I was like I was showing up wanting to watch the next episode in the next episode. And with kinda sad when it ended at six, because I mean, they resolved everything they needed to resolve. But I love so much about this show. And I can start with the culture. And I want to talk about this. First of all, kind of tell everyone what this show is about we have Kamala Khan, who is 16 years old, she is a big time Marvel fan. She's going to conventions doing the normal fan girl thing, kind of fast forward through her family drama, but she ends up at this convention, where she discovers that she's got superhero powers. And the entire series is basically her journey of discovering why she has superhero powers who her family is. And they a lot of going back in time and getting a lot of history. Not only real history that actually has happened in our world, but history within her family. And just kind of how becoming it's this coming of age story for this young girl learning to deal with these new things. And I love
Laura Orr:coming of age.
Kara Edwards:I love don't wage stories, but I thought about you because like I thought about baby sitters club. Yeah, because I know how much you love baby sitters. And that's such a great show for that, like young tweens age. Yes. I personally, as much as I liked baby sitters club, and I absolutely saw the value in it. Me personally, I did not really enjoy watching it. Okay. I loved
Laura Orr:this. Did you ever see Spider Man into the spider verse?
Kara Edwards:Yes. And I thought about it. So I thought about it written in my notes. As I was like this is so into the spider verse,
Laura Orr:it reminded me of that as well, like, whenever they would show, they would show really creative ways of showing text messages. So instead of it showing up as like a little bubble on the screen, which is what we're used to seeing these days, it might show up as like a neon lighting at a storefront. Yeah, I thought that was really fun. And it did remind me of the spider verse. I think there's something about having these superhero stories told through the lens of a teenager that is appealing to me for some reason, because I really also enjoyed the spider verse. And for some reason those two stick out to me more than like, Iron Man. Or, you know, the Avengers. I think it's this, it's this age, for some reason is
Kara Edwards:it's very, it's very contemporary. I don't know if that's the right word to use, but it is very of the now and it's cool and hip and the way that they use music and the way that they move through the stories I loved in and I have to say okay, so I have a little bit of a background here, story and my history. And you mentioned like you're not as familiar with the Pakistani American cultures and the Indian culture. So when I was growing up my very, very, very best friend Charu. Her family is from India. And I spent dare I see an exorbitant amount of time with her family. She was my friend that our houses were within walking distance of each other. She was my friend that like going to charters house I'm going to hang out with Charu in her family. I think I just had so much love for the Bruno character. Because, because, well, firstly, he's a great character. But second of all, I was like, That's me. Like I was the one that was kind of brought into this new culture. And I got to go to all the parties. They taught me the dances. I was very familiar with the food. I was very familiar with the music. I even went to temple with them a few times. And so even though their family was from India, and in Miss Marvel, they're from Pakistan. I was I was fascinated because all those years with Charu I never knew the history of Indian Pakistan. I literally learned the history of what happened to my best friend's family watching Miss Marvel.
Laura Orr:Yeah, that was super super interesting to me because this is just not stuff that you learned in school. It's not this is not this is not the history that we you know that they cover for us growing up and so to hear about this, the partition I knew nothing about this. I didn't either it was really interesting and sad. It really sad
Kara Edwards:and then you I also see how the cultures you know, Charles family is Hindu in where as Miss Marvel's family yeah, they're Muslim Muslim. Yeah. And so it's, that was different like watching that I was like, okay, so that wasn't what what it was like for them when they went to worship. It just kind of recognizing the differences and then regretting deeply that I didn't know more like your friends about my friend about the culture about, I did study religion in college. And so like, I've read the Koran. I read the Bible like I, but yet still not connecting those pieces until I watched some show on Disney aimed at teenagers. Like, wow, but I think that's why instantly, I felt like when the the music, the culture, the so many things, the language is the same. I recognized a lot of the words. Oh, really? Yeah. When I was understand I was demoing a lot of it. Yeah, no, I was I was understanding some of what they were saying. And I think I just instantly felt like I was home. Like, I just, I was watching something that that spoke very deeply to me.
Laura Orr:I love that. And I yeah, I mean, this, this show takes representation so much deeper than I feel like what American cinema is usually doing. And I feel like what American cinema, at least what I have seen does usually is they kind of take this take a Muslim person or a person from East Asia and kind of plops them in a white environment. And so I don't really learn much about that person. The depth isn't explored as much as it could be, but in this show, they fleshed that out so much more. And I really appreciated the fact that I had to Google things because they weren't making it to where it could be easily digested by someone like me, like a white person, right? Like, I had to be like, okay, if I'm, if you're interested, you have to figure out what that is. And so I was Googling, like, the slang that they were using, or some of the history that just wasn't like, spelled out for me. And I thought that was really cool. It got me thinking, yeah. And it had me participating in the experience, as opposed to just being a passive viewer. You know, there's so many shows out there where I could easily absorb the material while playing, you know, a game on my phone. Yeah, I do that a lot. And I could not, did not and wouldn't know what to when watching this.
Kara Edwards:I couldn't agree more, there was so much that they brought like, you feel very immersed in the culture. And, and they do it in a way that is very authentic. And it is so important. Like i
Laura Orr:i Usually when you consider the racism that they've experienced, and
Kara Edwards:they address that in the show, yeah.
Laura Orr:It written and just we all know that they did that. People who move here, move here with hopes of a better life, prosperity, you know, all of these reasons that we talk about. And I feel like they've had to defend that. Yeah, does it? Especially since 911. And I, I don't know I, I really appreciated this type of show, where we were able to just see what that struggle has been like,
Kara Edwards:yes, you know, 100% and they don't, it's not sugar coated. I did see something that super shocked me was when I went back and read the reviews because I had so much love for this I mean, Miss Miss Marvel Kamala Khan is Marvel's first ever live action Muslim hero there's some I mean, I just knew I was gonna get online and it's like this is the best show ever made. Not the case a lot of people really mad about the show and it has like a six out of 10 on IMDb which I was like what so when they mad about they're mad because they feel that it's not as entertaining as other Marvel shows. I cannot I disagree on that I just found this beyond entertaining what was not entertaining about it and they're like it's just not enough. They said it was boring that there wasn't enough action upfront that there wasn't they almost made it sound like there wasn't enough like that the fighting was to light I guess like it wasn't violent enough. And
Laura Orr:you know not violence what and then focus too much on the story we want more violence more violence.
Kara Edwards:If y'all are fighting that I'm not in okay
Laura Orr:to be fair, I guess I don't know Iron Man it is super explosion II now that I think about it, so maybe they're in and so is the Avengers, but like are is that what they're asking for? Are they just asking for a carbon copy of what they've already seen in place? You know, and then Just like a different face, is that what they're saying? And I even
Kara Edwards:saw complaints about when they went back in history in the middle of the show. And they kind of dug into and explained what the partition was and how it affected. So many people and I saw complaints where there were like, it was so much worse than that. They didn't show the like gore. Have they didn't show the people dying, who died in there. And I'm thinking, guys, this this is a show on Disney for children. I would not have they got the point across, there's no question that this was awful, and that people were devastated throughout this. I don't think that's left in question. I don't think that I would have wanted a children's show showing the actual
Laura Orr:right, they made it so it was palatable. And it was developmentally appropriate for the audience. I feel like there is space to talk about that. But it doesn't have to be all encompassing in one show, right? I think if you consider it as something that's only going to be talked about one time, then maybe you can miss that. But I was listening to a podcast recently. And it's a review of a podcast called a pop culture happy hour. And they were talking about a show starring Neil Patrick Harris called uncoupled, okay, and it's about him and it's kind of like Sex in the City for for like, LGBTQ plus population. So it's really interesting show and it's, it's just but it was just okay. It wasn't like groundbreaking, amazing, okay, and so they were talking about that on the show on the podcast, and they were saying, you know, it's representation also means, and inclusivity also means having shows like this that are just okay, you don't have to have LGBTQI show shows and movies that are like Oscar, Golden Globe winning, right? Fantastic, amazing shows, because that's not the reality of the landscape of TV, like, there are going to be regular shows that are just okay. And we have all seen them, these heteronormative white stars, you know, cisgendered and the show was just okay. So we don't have to put the shows that are representing, you know, that are representative of a population that isn't like that, you know, majority or whatever, on this highest pedestal and like it has to take these boxes off and be like this amazing, wonderful, you know, what I'm talking about? Yeah, it doesn't have to have to be super highbrow. Yeah, it's okay that it's
Kara Edwards:just a good show. It's a good
Laura Orr:show to watch. And it does mention these things and it had does have these important things about it. But part of representation is, is having saturation, I guess is what I'm trying to say okay, saturation includes different tiers of quality, different types of people that it appeals to. So we have here we have a show that is about a is a Muslim protagonist who is a teenager so we have to appeal to teenager and people who are Muslim who would appeal to this and so maybe in the future you will have a show about the partition that is geared more towards older folks and and includes the hard stuff that you have to watch and learn about but this isn't what that show is and so setting that expectation is kind of also pushing against this idea of representation where you're like this is this is the only show that's going to be about you know Muslims and what they are no like this is this is like opening a door to a much wider landscape and potential for this type of material. So that means I it absolutely makes sense. I don't know if I'm worrying you aren't
Kara Edwards:actually no it absolutely makes sense like you're right we we can have a show like Ms. Marvel that talks about and they don't hide like this is not like partition like guys like this is they don't hide their neck that this had on people and they even say things like every Pakistani family has a partition story and none of them are good. That is set in the in the thing and they even go back and they show the horrors of how many people were were trying to get on these trains how many people were trying to get out and it's a horror show I mean, they don't hide that and families being separated and all the violent I mean, they don't shy away for how from how serious I definitely walked away from this having never even learned about this before. Yeah, I definitely walked away from this going what a horrifying horrible situation that so many people went through I didn't need to see blood and guts no to understand. This was serious no I didn't enter awful like in and I think they did it in a way that was so beautiful. And I think They did this in a way that celebrated the the Muslim faith and the Muslim you know, in the culture, the Pakistani culture in a way that was it's just great to learn about you feel good while you're learning about this and, and who they are and how it works and, and it's such a great representation of of personally what what I know of this culture, I just I felt like I said, I just I swear even the mom even looked like Cerus mom, like, the clothes, everything I just, I was I was downright emotional watching this because I have so many beautiful, wonderful memories from a family that took me in and was so loving and compassionate with me.
Laura Orr:And I definitely want to talk more about the characters because they I felt like we're like the joyful part.
Kara Edwards:Yes.
Laura Orr:But I want to say something else about the partition in those scenes. Because I think that there's a lot of commentary about, like immigration and people who go through this. Yeah. That scene where Aisha is, which is a great grandmother, yes, she is realizing that where they're living is no longer safe, and that they need to leave and go try to get on the trains. And she tells her husband that this is what they need to do. And you can see it in his face. He's very sad. And he even says, like, I've lived here my whole life, I don't want to leave. And she says, you know, we have to basically it's unsafe here, we can no longer live here. And I thought that was super important because it reinforces this message that nobody leaves their home. Unless they have a reason to leave their home. Right, you know, no one's going to just pick up and, and move uproot their entire life just because they want to just because they want to meet, or at least, that I mean, that is the privilege of some, you know, but a lot of people, especially when there's, you know, you know, governmental or, you know, societal upheaval are leaving because they need a better life. And so I think
Kara Edwards:they're protecting their family. I mean, there's Yeah, they were they were even saying like the British are coming through, and they're burning down houses, and they're hurting people like we are escaping potential death.
Laura Orr:Yeah. And so I think when we're living in a time where immigration is such a controversial topic, and there's people who are anti immigration, I think it's important to tell these kinds of backstories. And yeah, enforce that message of like, a lot of people move out of necessity, and they leave people back home, you know, loved ones back home, it's and then they have to adjust to assimilate, what have you and to this new culture where some people might not want them there or they are being intruded upon by I don't know the FBI for some Yes, that's and they
Kara Edwards:talked about, like, we don't want the attention like we already have enough negative attention. We don't want more negative attention.
Laura Orr:So just trying to live our lives and
Kara Edwards:take care of our families. And yeah, this is I agree with you so much. This is such an important it touches on so many topics about understanding and compassion and and yet does it in a way that that is so it's it's entertaining as a whole while at the same time getting across these giant and important messages.
Laura Orr:Yeah, they do a really good job of blending the two of giving you the history backstories showing telling you these important messages, but also the fun. Yes, because there is a
Kara Edwards:lot of fun, so much fun. So did you not
Laura Orr:love the family that the family scenes were probably my favorite if also Bruno was my favorite, that's Kamal is best friend. But I loved the the dad, Kamal, his dad was probably my favorite. Oh, he's
Kara Edwards:adorable. I love the way that they parented, I wrote that down several times is, you know, within, within a culture that does have certain traditions for female versus male. And I remember seeing that as as a child and with Cerus family like they they had two girls that were growing up in a very different world of where you know, girls have so much more independence and watching her parents kind of grapple with this new space, but then allowing it to happen and loving their daughters and I swear like the whole time watching it. I'm like, I know this family. I know these people and say they dad was so great, so loving. I loved the compassion and Kamala is Mom.
Laura Orr:Yeah. Oh, man. She was such a sweet character I and I love that they gave her these complicated feelings, but also it was just the love that she had kind of overrode all that yeah, um, I thought that they did such a great job of having these characters interact with each other in a way that again, it was like I felt like I knew these characters, but I felt like I was seeing something completely different.
Kara Edwards:I totally agree. And, and I love that Kamal has YouTube channel was called sloth baby productions. And when they were like, Do you need a name? Call me sloths baby. Like she she was lovable from literally the first frame. Like you. You were in love with this character from the second she appeared. Yeah. You know, the who was the guidance counselor or the principal of her school? I don't know if he was the guidance counselor or the principal. But I literally wrote down. Who is this? What is this?
Laura Orr:I want more of him. He was hysterical. So funny. I loved him so much like what
Kara Edwards:character was or what human? Was he ever based on? Because no person like that ever worked in any school I attended? Because I, I could have gone so much further. I know.
Laura Orr:Right? Yeah. And when they take the time to give you those little characters who don't move the plot forward, necessarily, but just enrich the setting. Yeah, I am. I noticed those and I love them so much.
Kara Edwards:There's so many like, they, I mean, I'm telling you, the extras are interesting. Like they they really thought about who all of these people were going to be. And just added in tiny little elements that were so fun and entertaining, like when Kemal his brother is getting married, and they're talking about what the first song should be like, what are they going to dance to? And who is the band going to be? And they're talking about how like mom and dad have such intense love of Bon Jovi they ended up hiring a band called brown Jovi. Yes, and they're rocking out. Bon Jovi, like covers and it's funny and it's fun. And there's even this great like, you know, it does like again nods to the culture, but it was so much it was done in such a great way with Kamala has powers you know, are starting to be shown to the world and, and still one of her aunties comes back and immediately is like it's gonna be very hard for her to find a husband.
Laura Orr:Yes. Still, that husband talk that you hear. Yeah. And it also has really fun components of a teen show or movie even. I loved that they something that I've seen a lot of teen movies is the introduction of the cliques Yeah, like this is this group this is this group. They do that in here but they do it with the church group. Yeah, so you've got like this type of group in your church this type of group in the mosque so yeah, the church the mosque. This is the you know, and then they had the what did they call it the and was it like an Illuminati anti naughty?
Kara Edwards:Yeah, it was a it was really funny. I think it was the anti naughty or anything like that. Yeah.
Laura Orr:So it was like a really cute. They were just showing you like the subgroup
Kara Edwards:selfie girls and the yes, the self care.
Laura Orr:Yeah, it was really cute that they did that. So I let you know. I love those nods. But then they had like a spin on it. That was very unique. They also had a sexy pool exit which you gotta love a sexy pool exit at a house party. Yeah, no, there's still those little fun components that you would see in like a teen show that get me ever Oh,
Kara Edwards:yeah, there's little crushes. They bring in the new guy. Yeah, yeah,
Laura Orr:there's the the nerdy friend. Oh, yeah. Rue. No, no, that you love so much love Bruno. And what I loved about him was that there was love for Kumala but there was no entitlement to her. Yes. Which I think you can see in these teen shows like ducky or movies like from Pretty in Pink. love him so much.
Kara Edwards:Did you ever see pretty I sure did see pretty important. Did you love Jackie? You know, I loved him so much everybody did but I know where you're going with
Laura Orr:other he had a little teensy weensy bit of entitlement to her hmm. And kind of threw a threw a fit. Yep. Whenever she fell in love with Blaine. Uh huh. And that did not exist at least not yet in this and I really appreciated that because there is this interesting dynamic sometimes between boys and girls in that age where there's friendships that where one person falls in love with the other person and the other person doesn't return that and then the friendship part of it. Yeah, dissolves or I don't know it's it's almost like this. Can there be platonic friendships right? Without this like, oh, you led me on because you were nice to me. Yeah, nothing. Anyways, I've been reading some some and things about that. And I thought that they did it really well here that, you know, while Bruno does love Kamala, he's not getting a return on that from her. But he's also accepting of that. Yes. And staying her friend, I guess is what I'm trying to say, in my long winded.
Kara Edwards:But I know what you're saying. And you're right. And they do do a good job of, of showing a healthy a healthy weight and to navigate that, yeah, and watching her have crushes on other boys. And
Laura Orr:as much as that hurts, like remembering that your relationship started as a friendship. And just because you want it to be further, like more than our than that does not mean it has to be or she's like, obligated, right? And that doesn't mean that because she doesn't want that then all that nice stuff led you to falling in love with her and your lead. And now you've been led on which I think that that dynamic has happened so much. In real life. Yes. And just as like, a common dynamic between friends, boys and girls. You know, I'm thinking of that specifically. And I know that there are other types of friendships where those that dynamic exists, but like when I think about that, specifically, it just is something that I think is getting a second look now I agree. Yeah, I like because yeah, platonic friends can be mean friendships can be meaningful, right. And I liked the the way that they dressed it in here.
Kara Edwards:I did, too. I love the way, you know, and the pull of him getting accepted into this big college.
Laura Orr:Oh my gosh, I was so nervous that he wasn't gonna go, Oh, yeah. Oh,
Kara Edwards:I know. And you know, and then recognizing like, it's okay, you can do that. And we can still be friends. And this there is there's so much love and compassion between all of the characters. Yeah. And understanding and working at healthy ways of working out issues, even between the parents and daughter. It just, there's so much to love. Who do you think the audience is?
Laura Orr:I think that it really I didn't see a lot of scary imagery. So I wouldn't be worried about younger kids watching this. Right. And there wasn't a lot of like, super problematic behavior, either. Yeah,
Kara Edwards:this was really interesting for me, because I, I was like, I cannot wait to watch this with Michael. And sit him down because I just thought he was gonna get really into it. Neither Michael nor Remy, were interested in it. Yeah, they, I think it was. I think everything was just a little too dialogue heavy. Yes, it was a little too slow little to. Again, there was so much of the history and so much to explain, and I think they got lost in that. They're also not at an age I mean, they're six and seven. So they're not going to understand crushes. They're not going to understand the you know, these different relationship dynamics. They don't understand the you know, sneaking out or parents or, yeah, this just there was no language in here that spoke to them. And so that made me think that this really does hit that tween age. I think so to tweens, teens and obviously adults because I cannot wait for season two. Yeah, I think Jeremy and I are gonna have a watching party, which
Laura Orr:I agree Daphne wasn't intuitive either. I think like for those exact same reasons that you said not because it's there's anything that would be scary or problematic for them. It's just it's just a little bit sophisticated for for my kid. Yeah, I'm with you. tween teen and up.
Kara Edwards:Yeah, I literally wrote on my bad list because it good is so long. And when I wrote like, what would be problematic? I literally wrote a some violence.
Laura Orr:I mean, there is Yeah, teen issues question where yeah, there's defiance there. Like you said there is sneaking out. She's lying to her family. At the end. She ends ventually comes clean things like that. But it didn't. It didn't. Yeah, it's not severe. She's very, she loves her family so much. When she does lie to them sneak out do this or that she regrets it. Yes. She's She is very much a character who has a very loving relationship with her family, which we don't get to see that very often with a 16 year old usually.
Kara Edwards:Oh, yeah, no, no more complicated
Laura Orr:than that.
Kara Edwards:That's what I've seen. There's so much love between all of these characters I all of my notes ended with honestly the show is perfect.
Laura Orr:And one of the other things I really liked was the friendship between Comala and Nichia. Yes, I loved that dynamic. It was one of my favorites.
Kara Edwards:shorted I love any supportive female BFF relationship, but I I love that they hit it you know, she feels very let down that Comala didn't tell her about her superpowers and yet they find a way to resolve that move past it work together. Again, I just keep I feel like I'm just repeating it again and again, healthy relationships. This thing is just chock full might I mean minus obviously there's one very unhealthy Mother Son relationship that is explored. But other other than that, which is a kind of a major plot point. But you with the clandestine group, but you know all in all I it's really I just loved it like I was really feeding me I kept coming out every time I'd watch an episode I was like telling my husband I'm like, I love this show. This is literally my favorite. It was always Shira Shira has been my favorite that we've reviewed, which is still spectacular and worth the watch. I just loved this one a little more.
Laura Orr:This one was funny. Like it was it was it had that was the thing that hooked me I think is in the cleverness of it. It's just very clever and funny. Great character and a lot you learn a lot you I mean, he just there's just so much to this show. It did feel a little marvelously to me at times, which is when I think my brain shuts down and I don't buy
Kara Edwards:Marvel is that when it's like when it gets into like the fights and they're like shooting glass and powers. Yeah.
Laura Orr:And then like we come from another dimension. Just yeah, and I don't know why she does
Kara Edwards:Marvel and all things got it.
Laura Orr:It is part of that universe. You got to accept it. There was it does get a little cheesy, like at some points for me. But I think tweens and teens would love it like there I was getting a big home alone vibe from the school where they were like taking on Oh yeah. All they like shooting of the baseball super silly. Yeah, that's got a little silly for me and then and then Kamal is power in itself. I don't know. I wish I was getting earthbender vibes from that.
Kara Edwards:Oh, I could see. Yeah, it's kind of like glass bender.
Laura Orr:Yeah, they're like really pretty to look at to look at. But when you think about what the other Marvel characters are capable of, I was wondering if there was I was trying to figure out if there was anything more that she could have done with that. But she's just get to know her powers. Who knows? You know,
Kara Edwards:and I do think I think I read somewhere. I didn't write it down. But I feel like I read somewhere that there she is going to be in a Marvel movie. Like there is a movie coming out that you know, cuz she is in the original comics. Yeah, this character. So it would be really interesting. I also found it sounds like the Creator has announced that the entire show is going to be released in Pakistani cinemas, which I think actually may have just happened and because it is unavailable, there is no Disney plus in Pakistan. So to honor the heroes roots, they are actually going to be showing this in cinemas. Oh, that's cool. Which is really cool. Like, again, to honor the culture and the people. Which I really feel like this is yeah, it's it's I mean, it is definitely a love story to the Pakistani people. I just, I just, it made me want to pick up the phone and call her the whole time. I was like, I am going to take her to dinner. And I'll give you like I said, Tell me everything because I and I'm sorry that I was young and ignorant and wouldn't have known anything about anything that your family would have gone through which Terry was born in the US. So she she might not even be as
Laura Orr:familiar. Maybe at the time. She didn't know either.
Kara Edwards:But I know her parents and grandparents would have been through that. So it would be fascinating to sit down and be like what was your experience? How revisit? Yeah, if that's even something they can talk about? So yeah, it just again, it opened my eyes and man I've loved I love a show that's entertaining. And you feel like you walked away with something. Same it's so good. Okay, so I'm gonna do a transition like the awkward transition that I'm known for. Because because this is how I feel like we can we can say that go watch Miss Marvel. Yeah, it's really good. It's really great. And we're gonna talk about because we're, we're well here's the spooky season season.
Laura Orr:Have you guys been watching anything?
Kara Edwards:We have not we so far like I'm still I'm still getting decorations out at the last imaginable moment. Trying to trying to get prepared and get costumes all set up and everything but there is a movie that Michael said they're talking about at school and he told us this weekend we are absolutely watching it no matter what. And it's hocus pocus to oh because we've seen the original one. I think we've even reviewed the original one on this Have we ever muted on the podcast
Laura Orr:sync so last year we did an episode where we made recommendations for and I know you recommend I think I recommended the first one and we have watched that one but we have not seen the second one yet. Have you? Yes. Okay saw me everything the day it came out. Okay. I saw it because I love the original Um, it was it's good. It's, you know, the way I look at it could have been better could have been worse. Okay, but nothing can beat the original. Yeah, you just can't No matter how hard you try, it's just not going to happen. I definitely think if you liked the original, it's worth watching. There are some funny, funny scenes, I think my favorite thing that I the about the new one was when they were interacting with the new world or the the modern world. Yeah. And the confusion that came from that. And you saw that a lot in the original. And I, it was so funny when they did it then and it continued to be funny. Now, I wish there was more of that. They do a lot of nods to the original as well. If that is your thing, if you enjoy that, then you will enjoy you will, you will get a lot. Okay, I personally don't love an obvious nod. If you're going to say something that's kind of subtle that somebody who's seen it like 20 times is going to be more like me would catch on to it, then I do appreciate that. And you do get that actually, we can go back to Miss Marvel in a minute. So I want to know if he picked up on something that was super subtle. I like that when it's super obvious, or when it feels like they're checking off a box like Yeah, it's like the home alone to thing where they do so much of the same thing on the first Yeah. And then it's just like you're watching
Kara Edwards:recycled lightly different versions of what you've already seen.
Laura Orr:Yes. And that doesn't feel super creative to me. They, they, they they do it a couple times. And it's a hit. They do it a couple times. And it's a miss. Okay. But overall, I mean, I think if you enjoy the original, you're gonna like this one the all of the older characters. No, no, not all of them. Sorry. Some of them do not come back. Yeah,
Kara Edwards:I read about that. I've been I've been getting all the BuzzFeed articles about like when the one girl's mouth is now on the other side. And it's because she wasn't able to hold it. Oh in her mouth that way anymore, which I no judgment here because as someone who has voiced characters for 20 plus years, like sometimes you just can't do those things that you could do when you're young and you kind of make changes that seems picky nitpicky, right super nitpicky,
Laura Orr:they do they talk, they show a scene at the very beginning of the three sisters as as tweens, which was really fun, and I feel like you could go somewhere with that. And I wouldn't be surprised if Disney did. That was really fun. They introduce you to some characters, and then just kind of forget about them later, which was disappointing. Okay. So I think as a personal preference, it was it was decent. Again, you can't beat the original. So they did what they could with what they had. As far as appropriateness goes, I think it's fine for kids. My daughter watched it and was not scared at all. And so I think you're looking at like a sixth and probably,
Kara Edwards:we're gonna watch it this weekend. I'm in I'm in.
Laura Orr:So the thing about missing Yeah,
Kara Edwards:I was like, go, I want to hear about
Laura Orr:this. So at the very end, when Bruno is telling Comala about her the mutation that he found, yes. Did you notice the change in music?
Kara Edwards:Oh, I didn't notice the change in music. I did read that. That is not in the original comic book that they don't there's no like different genetic, anything and no mutations. And so they're interested in like, is that I wonder if that music change was the precursor to the movie that they're supposed to be doing?
Laura Orr:I don't know. But what I do know, yeah, is I recognize that music change. And Jeremy was sitting right down next to me, and he confirmed that what I heard was actually accurate. And I'm gonna do this sound to you. Because you know, I love just saying, okay, Denon and ena. And that's all they did. What is that? You will only know what that sound is. If you watched the X Men in the 90s, which I did not a TV show excellent in the 90s, because that is the introductory. That's the opening credits to the song for the X Men in the 90s dananananana. So they're telling you that she is the first X Men in the Marvel Universe. Oh, so when you're hearing that they're hinting at crossover land,
Kara Edwards:y'all crossover, which they love to do
Laura Orr:yes, they do. And it was so super subtle. Again, it feels like it was for me, and that is the kind of throwback that you lack easter egg, whatever you want to call it, that I love that it's blink and you miss it. And it's only if you paid attention to a certain type of something somewhere at one point in time and you'll pick it up and they did it in a smart rollin it was the it is how they ended it spoiler alert. Okay, so I
Kara Edwards:know there is a giant Marvel fan listening right now you have to like, tell us all that, you know, what's the next thing? What's the big crossover? His
Laura Orr:name is Jeremy and you can
Kara Edwards:call him actually we'll probably hang out this weekend. Yeah. So
Laura Orr:my husband is obsessed with the Marvel Universe. And I'm telling you and that sound came out, he looked at me and I was like, it was like, did you catch it? Yeah. And I was like, was that excellent. And he was like, from the 90s Like, this
Kara Edwards:is why you do like,
Laura Orr:Oh my gosh. Yeah, so if you know that, that basically opened a large door and then they also opened up another door if you watch the end credits, which they're known to do, of the final episode, there's this like, 32nd scene that I won't spoil it for anybody but they show you that kind of also opens the door to a lot of other potential. So I think they I think that what, what you can pick up from this show is that they have lots of plans for Kamala, which makes me really happy because
Kara Edwards:that and it's smart to do stuff like this because again, I'm unfamiliar with the Marvel Universe. This will make me watch anything she's in. Yeah, so it's going to bring in new fans, for sure.
Laura Orr:You know what I think you would also like, what is Spider Man Peter Parker with Tom Holland and
Kara Edwards:seen that I want to see that one.
Laura Orr:Teen superhero, okay, you like that? You know, with the energy that they bring to the universe? I think you would like that too. And he's funny and Okay, he's got like the light hearted energy and he is an all you get a lot of the other stuff too.
Kara Edwards:And one last thing I do want to point out I'm really proud of us that we've made it like an hour and not made a single. We don't talk about Bruno joke. I thought it I did too. But I every time you said for you now
Laura Orr:to my head no, no, no. Okay, always living in my head. For sure. Heck,
Kara Edwards:what are we reviewing next week? Next week? We're gonna be talking about his
Laura Orr:his da that one is? Oh, a far left. Okay. Can't wait to talk about
Kara Edwards:that's gonna be a very different vibe. Very different. So different. That's one looking forward to it though. Yeah. Okay. So Hilda next week, please find us on all the socials, you can reach us on Instagram. You can find us on Twitter. Our website should they watch it.com And there's emails we'd love to hear from you. Please leave reviews and stars that makes our day and helps our podcast reach additional listeners and parents who might need to hear what we're talking about. So
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